The Third Preseason Game

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Shamrock

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I'll try to remind people when it gets close, but in the third preseason game (Sat. 8/26 Seattle Seahawks at SD) I'd like some info from the guys who go to the game.

Pat Kirwan has said multiple times that if a fan wants to find out who the fringe players are that will make the team, then look at Special Teams in the third preseason game.

Can someone take notes during the game (just write all the players numbers down) for all the ST's units - especially in the first half?

KR - KR coverage - PR - PR coverage - FG/XP - FG/XP defense
 

Shamrock

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eldwin said:
Interesting.. Will do.
Thanks. That should help us speculate on who the final LB, CB, WR, etc will be that make the roster.
 

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Is it for real yet?

Perhaps Sproles might think so...
 

BFISA

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I haven't seen the game, but jes by the flow of the GDT, the coverage seemedta be pretty good.
 

Shamrock

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eldwin said:
OK. So I paid attention to special teams and Polk was in on every unit, so he definately made the team.

I'm doing this by memory so here it goes:

Kick return: Gordon, Turner, Pinnock, Manumaleuna, Bingham, Wilhelm, Polk, Cooper, Keil, Dobbins, Osgood.

After that the beer got to me, so I don't know all the names, but here's a few that stand out.

Kickoff: Cromartie, Curry, Lott, Camarillo... It could be Camarillo OR Lott were in there because VJ is out.

Punts: Camarillo was the gunner opposite Cromartie on a few plays. It could be because Osgood was on the field quite a bit.
Thanks !!!

In no way should Polk make this team. Ugh .......
 

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Yeah CRO played a great game but FLO was solid too...entire secondary was solid (yes even you QJ)

But there is no way in hell CRO starts the season....IMHO of course..
This is just the issue, Flo looked amazing last ight, he played very tight coverage, did not try to do to much and locked his man down. Jammer was playing way to far off the man as always last night (I know its the scheme) but cromartie has IT. On one play late in the second Q, cromartie covered the TE on a short route to the flat, but then the R B came out behind him, once the ball was being thrown to the R B, cromartie accelrated right into the RB, he arived just as the ball did to make the stop. So IMO here is how I see it:

Flo possitives:
seems to have the mental game
consistent so far
good ball skills

negatives:
is not willing to make a hard tackle (graduated from the edwards school of tackling)
looks for the big play instead of doing his job all the time


Cro positives:
is willing to hit HARD and enjoys it
amazing acceration (for now it will get him out of a jam, in a season it will be used to make INT's for TD's)
good instincts

negatives:
very raw, gets out of position way to much and does not make his drops/short coverage as good as he needed to last night


so do you go with cro or just have the meanest nickle package in the AFC west?
 

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I also noticed that Crosby had the #1 ST unit in for just about the entire game...
 

Shamrock

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compubolt said:
so do you go with cro or just have the meanest nickle package in the AFC west?
Go with Cro as the nickel to start the season. Heck, he'll be on the field over half the plays anyway, especially against the Traitors who will probably show a lot of 3 WR sets. (... and the fact that they'll be throwing a lot because Choketown will be down by 3 TD's after one quarter !) :icon_mrgreen:
 

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MORE ON THE COMING CUTDOWNS

With the initial camp cuts changed from 65 to 75 this year, one important point to keep in mind is that the expiration of the NFL Europe exemptions has been moved from the second cut date to the first.

Before this season, the first roster cuts were to 65 players, and the second cuts were to 53. But the NFL Europe exemptions survived until the final cuts, giving teams more than 65 roster spots to play with.

In theory, then, the total head count in camp under the new rules will be roughly the same as it was under the old rules. If a team has six NFL Europe exemptions, it would have had 71 guys in 2005 after the first cuts. Now, it will have 75.

In the past, however, it was usually pretty easy to figure out after the first cuts to 65 that most of the NFL Europe guys were merely going to serve as cannon fodder in the final preseason game. With the core roster at 65 players, there were only four veteran spots that were up in the air, since eight of the rookies and street free agents would end up on the eight-man practice squad.

Now, with all NFL Europe exemptions expired at the first cut, any NFL Europe guys who in past years would have merely been taking up space will be out the door, leaving teams with their 75 best players still in camp.

This means that some of the guys who eventually are among the final cuts will have a harder time finding a job. In past years, these guys would have been cut early enough to land on a team with a need that they could fill. In 2006, there will be a flood of quality players hitting the market less than a week before the start of the regular season, and it will be far more difficult for teams and agents to sort through the mess.

The new rule also will make it even harder for a lot of the guys who survive the final cuts to get comfortable in their new jobs. With 704 players entering the market all at once, there's always going to be a chance that a team that is light at one position will have a quality player who was caught up in a numbers game elsewhere fall into its lap.

And once a team that signs one of these players cuts a guy who had made the 53-man roster, then that guy goes into the mix of available players, and he could supplant someone in another city who had thought that he had made it.
 

Shamrock

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O'reilly said:
I also noticed that Crosby had the #1 ST unit in for just about the entire game...
After their poor showing in Chicago, they needed the reps.
 

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Shamrock said:
After their poor showing in Chicago, they needed the reps.
After rewatching the game, I noticed that Kurt sacrificed a few yards on the kickoff for longer hangtime.

His kicks last night were in the air for at least 5 seconds.

Seattle's kicker touched the endzone with kickoffs that were in the air for 4 seconds.

So, even though the Seattle returner caught the ball at the 3 or 5 yard line, that extra second of hang time allowed our ST coverage unit to be 3 or 4 yards closer to the guy, limiting his return yardage.
 

Shamrock

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I hope SD can "hide" a few young players. Can SD bury Clary or Lekk on IR for the year? What about Perkins? A young LB? SD has some depth at a few positions, and roster cuts will be hard in those areas.

Keeping "specialists" really hurts. Kurt Smith, Milligan, Polk, Osgood, etc. Guys that aren't worth a crap at their position will mean someone else gets cut, and a few of those won't make it past waivers.

Oh ..... another thought. Watch for the Jets to poach SD's cuts. Brian Schotty will know a bunch of them, and the Jets offense is using the same system (and verbage) as San Diego's.
 

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eldwin said:
Oh, I totally forgot. Kurt Smith attempted every kickoff that I can remember. He might thave made the team. :mad: :mad:
You have to admit... other than on turnovers, Seattle wasn't exactly starting drives in awesome field position.
 

Shamrock

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Thunderstruck said:
You have to admit... other than on turnovers, Seattle wasn't exactly starting drives in awesome field position.
SD MUST fix two things this season.

1. Win the field position battle
2. Win the turnover battle

Those two items are as - or MORE - important than the OL and our secondary.
 

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Shamrock said:
SD MUST fix two things this season.

1. Win the field position battle
2. Win the turnover battle

Those two items are as - or MORE - important than the OL and our secondary.
Penalties...which they took a huge stride in solving last nite...3 for 28 yards...not too shabby!!
 

Shamrock

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BFISA said:
Penalties...which they took a huge stride in solving last nite...3 for 28 yards...not too shabby!!
That's good, and we all hope it stays that way.
 

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Shamrock said:
SD MUST fix two things this season.

1. Win the field position battle
2. Win the turnover battle

Those two items are as - or MORE - important than the OL and our secondary.
I agree on your "top 2" but I would reverse the order. We were -8 in turnover differential last year. You know how many teams who had a negative turnover differential last year finished .500 or better? Two. Us and the Patriots.

Seriously, we were down with teh Titans, Texans, and Raiders of the world when it came to turnover differential. If we had just been break-even in that area, I'll bet we would've been 12-4 again.

To me, turnovers is #1, field position a not-too-distant second, and everything else is bonus...
 

Shamrock

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T-struck -

Sometimes those two categories go hand in hand, as with the multiple turnovers we had last year deep in our own territory. Not only was it a negative on the turnover battle, but it contributed to losing the field position game.

Sci-Fi is a HUGE weapon for SD in winning the turnover battle. Kurt Smith could also be a weapon, with either kicking it into the end zone, or getting good hang time (with hopefully good kick coverage).