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Discussion in 'American Football' started by Concudan, Aug 13, 2018.

  1. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    Phil:
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    Yup, stats don't lie ;)
     
  2. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    and yet the Rams are 8-0

    while your fucksudeans are 5-2 in a (what has been shown so far) shiity division with one highly overrated team with a highly overrated quarterback

    :)
     
  3. Harryo the K

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    Bosa is very good. He is not 95% of Donald. Donald is a DT leading the league with 10 sacks after eight games. If you don't agree, watch when the Spanni low ball offer the Joey on an extension.

    Ps. Melvin Ingram is no. 45 with 3.5 sacks.
    With a $11.2 million this year salary, next year $16 million salary.
    Aaron D is 6 years at $135 million. Joey going to get big money, but maybe not
    With the LAC.
     
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  4. Fender57

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    Bosa is definitely not getting big money with the LA Spanoses. For one, his whole family despises the organization, why do you think they’re holding him out until he’s “100%” even in a playoff run? Look to him to move on to a real organization who truly values their star players (e.g., the other 31 teams). Two, we all know the Spenis “brain”trust will try to lowball him anyway, which will further push the Bosa family away.
     
  5. Harryo the K

    Harryo the K Well-Known Member

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    Bosa going to want $20 million a year. Anyone think Spanni is really gonna “fight” (or is it “flight”) for LA?

    Dodgers:
    Had Kershaw simply opted in to the final two years of his deal, he would've been paid roughly $65 million over the next two seasons. Instead Kershaw according to multiple reports will receive $93 million over three years plus incentives. So in essence, Kershaw gets an extra year and another $28 million, plus the opportunity to add to the total value via bonuses.
     
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  7. wrbanwal

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    Lambo left and his FG percentage jumped up by about 12% over what it had been with the Chargers. Sturgis arrived and his FG percentage went down by about 5%.

    Sturgis is not a great kicker by any stretch of the imagination, but there definitely is something to Kaser not being a good holder as he had been removed from the role in the past before he was released. He definitely had issues as the holder. By all accounts, Jones is a good holder even though Kaser is a better punter.
     
  10. Chaincrusher

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    They don't but you are, of course, looking at the wrong ones and your take is so shallow that is laughable. Maybe you should try looking at where the playoff opponents Rivers has faced ranked in terms of total defense, pass defense and points allowed in the seasons in which Rivers played them and compare that to the defenses faced by other QBs in the playoffs. A pretty dramatic picture will emerge when you do that.

    I am pretty sure that for QBs with at least several playoff games played over multiple seasons, you will not find a current QB that has played against a better lineup of defenses. Frankly, though I do not know this aspect of the discussion for a fact, it would not surprise me if Rivers has played against the toughest lineup of defenses in the playoffs that any QB has faced ever.

    For example, Rivers played at PIT in the 2008 season's playoffs when PIT was #1 in all 3 categories. He had a better game than any QB had at PIT all season long and did so despite the defense not being able to stop PIT's ground game, which limited his opportunities. Rivers' greatness was not enough for the Chargers to win because the Steelers were just a better team that season. That certainly was not Rivers' fault.
     
  11. Chaincrusher

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    Your take is lame. The Chargers have paid top players in their prime that have stayed with the Chargers. If they decide he is healthy, they will probably offer him him Mack type money.
     
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  12. Chaincrusher

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    I dsiagree with your take that Bosa is not 95% of Donald. The last time both players were healthy (last season), Bosa finished the season with 1.5 more sacks and more tackles than Donald. Now, Donald only played 14 games, but even if you project Donald's numbers over 16 games, Bosa still has an advantage in tackles while being even in sacks.

    If I had to choose between the two, I would take Donald as he is just barely better than Bosa. Your mistake is not that you believe that Donald is an elite pass rusher. He is. The mistake you seem to be making is not considering Bosa as a top 10 pass rusher because he is every bit of that.

    Ingram is #45 in sacks because Bosa is absent and opponents can allocate more attention to Ingram. That is whole point of why the team is so much better with Bosa. Not only is Bosa a great producer in his own right, but he also commands so much attention that Ingram gets many more opportunities, which makes him better too. And with both of them at full strength and causing pressure, the secondary gets better results as QBs have less time to throw and are forced into throwing mistakes.

    That is the kind of difference that Bosa makes. I think the team will see that and realize that Ingram is 1B and Bosa is 1A when it comes to money.

    Also, there will be a time when Rivers is gone and the Chargers are paying a new QB much less money. Bosa's contract can be structured to account for that.
     
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    Lancer 1 Betrayed Bolt Supporter

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    Your thinking is lame if you think there’s no bad blood between the two parties.
     
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  15. Chaincrusher

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    The Rams are 8-0, but it has been a shaky 8-0 with multiple near losses. They simply are not head and shoulders above all other teams as their record might suggest. The Rams are a good team, but not some kind of historically great team.

    As far as the AFC West goes, at full strength, the Chargers are the best team in the division beacuse they have a good offense and a good defense. The Chiefs have an explosive offense due to the great scheme developed by Reid (easiest NFL Coach of the Year choice ever) and the talented receivers and runners. However, their defense is bad.

    The Chargers should have beaten the Chiefs even without Bosa, but let that game get away. The Rams beat the Chargers without Bosa just as the Chargers would have beaten the Rams without Donald.

    The AFC West is dragged down by what now appears to be the worst team in football in the Raiders, but it is still .500 as a division. That is better than the AFCE, AFCS (most overrated division in the NFL), and the NFCE. It is equal to the winning percentage of the NFCW.
     
  16. Chaincrusher

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    Rivers held out in his rookie season. There must be bad blood between him and the team. After all, once a player holds out, that decides that player's relationship with the team forever as being one of bad blood between the parties. SMH....

    Or could it be that after a tough negotiation resolved satisfactorily to everyone involved, that everything is just fine between the parties and they do not make a resolved difference the defining factor in their relationship?
     
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    Yeah, the Rivers holdout and the Bosa holdout was exactly the same. Way to go with the red herrings, counselor esquire.
     
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    I guess Kaser held better for Koo which is why Lynn kept him over Lambo.
     
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  20. wrbanwal

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    From Fred Dean to Jefferson to LT to Weddle....ignore the obvious. It's a gift.
     
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  22. Faded Blues

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    You forgot to add harrarison
     
  23. Faded Blues

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    and seau was productive after leaving sd.
     
  24. Harryo the K

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    Agree....no.1 on the list would be Drew Brees. Incentives vs. salary.

    Unless the Chargers go to highest paid defensive player in the league plan with Bosa,
    I think he moves on eventually. FUDEAN and your Spawn.
     
  25. Gill Man

    Gill Man Inaugural San Diego Charger Fan Since 1962 FUDEAN Staff Member Moderator

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    add VJ, Sproles, amongst many others all along the way.
     
  26. Fender57

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    Wow, who let Kaser back in to hold?
     
  27. Fender57

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    Wow, time to cut Jones now. What a terrible holder.
     
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    Depressing for those still fan types.....”just passing through” is the motto...........Chargers have lost tons of talent due to being cheap and lots more by being poorly run, not able to plan........release Lambo....release Kaser....it's been that way for decades.
    Oh well....
    Bosa should try and get a mega mega deal....guarantee bonus and salary...don't settle for the old 'fair offer'. .
    not from these clowns.
     
  30. Concudan

    Concudan Still Chargin Staff Member Administrator

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    That is the moto with every team.
    How many players end up retiring for the team that drafted them? Hell even Peyton did not go out a Colt.

    You guys hoping and plotting for Bosa to run away at the first chance, that is kinda silly. Could happen, maybe not. But the efforts you put into trying to make it sound like you have some actual knowledge or insight is humorous...
     
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