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Gill Man

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only favored by 1? doesn't say much for the confidence in them even after they beat up on the Pack Sunday. I guess the bettors and bookies still expect them to find ways to lose and shoot themselves in the foot. Not surprising exactly since they've excelled at that for years. GO RAIDERS!!!!! Beat the damn chuggers for a change. Jeebus. Only way is if they can persistently run the ball to set up the play action and pile up running yards and time of possession to keep the chugger offense on the sidelines as much as possible. GOTTA RUN THE BALL!
 

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If the Raiders can run, they might win. If they go stupid and try to throw on every play, they will get smashed just like Green Bay did. Bosa and Ingram, when healthy, are a hell of a tandem when it comes to the pass rush, but nobody on that team, from the little action I have seen over the past couple years, seems to know how to stay in his lane on a running play.
 

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If the Raiders can run, they might win. If they go stupid and try to throw on every play, they will get smashed just like Green Bay did. Bosa and Ingram, when healthy, are a hell of a tandem when it comes to the pass rush, but nobody on that team, from the little action I have seen over the past couple years, seems to know how to stay in his lane on a running play.
The GB O line sucked Sunday....they are typically pretty damn good at both run and pass blocking but did little of either on Sunday. That team has 2 good RB's. If the Raiders can control the offensive line of scrimmage and open up some running lanes they can do some damage. They just have to want it, unlike the stupid Pack who expected to take a week off and waltz to a win....dummies. Can't take any team lightly and have to put out each week if you want to be a top seed come playoff time. I hope the Raiders are really intense Thursday night and try to make a statement up front by running. We'll see. I don't count on it at all however. They have too many weaknesses still...but are improving steadily. By time they get to Vegas maybe Gruden and Mayock will have them rolling.
 

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The GB O line sucked Sunday....they are typically pretty damn good at both run and pass blocking but did little of either on Sunday. That team has 2 good RB's. If the Raiders can control the offensive line of scrimmage and open up some running lanes they can do some damage. They just have to want it, unlike the stupid Pack who expected to take a week off and waltz to a win....dummies. Can't take any team lightly and have to put out each week if you want to be a top seed come playoff time. I hope the Raiders are really intense Thursday night and try to make a statement up front by running. We'll see. I don't count on it at all however. They have too many weaknesses still...but are improving steadily. By time they get to Vegas maybe Gruden and Mayock will have them rolling.
I don't know. I saw a couple Packers games last year. They were pathetic at the line of scrimmage. The League has been trying for years for the Rodgers-Brady Super Bowl, but it can't make a team that totally sucks into a post-season winner.
 

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I don't know. I saw a couple Packers games last year. They were pathetic at the line of scrimmage. The League has been trying for years for the Rodgers-Brady Super Bowl, but it can't make a team that totally sucks into a post-season winner.
yeah they had a GREAT line then lost some guys in FA and to injury so were not the same. I'm not sure if they kept the same O line coach they had with McCarthy. Remains to be seen how they stack up against the best D's going forward. When they travel to SF that will be a huge game and a yardstick for them. The won't be taking that game lightly. If the O line gets blown out again they are crap.
 

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yeah they had a GREAT line then lost some guys in FA and to injury so were not the same. I'm not sure if they kept the same O line coach they had with McCarthy. Remains to be seen how they stack up against the best D's going forward. When they travel to SF that will be a huge game and a yardstick for them. The won't be taking that game lightly. If the O line gets blown out again they are crap.
I just watched the 49ers Thursday for the first time since who knows when. There is no way that team should be undefeated. If the League were legit and weren't trying to get California's most popular team back into the post season, the 9ers would be really close to .500.
 

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I just watched the 49ers Thursday for the first time since who knows when. There is no way that team should be undefeated. If the League were legit and weren't trying to get California's most popular team back into the post season, the 9ers would be really close to .500.
I hope you are right since I don't like em and never have. However my new most hated team is the LA chuggers lolz.
 
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'Weird and exciting': Raiders' Tyrell Williams ready to face former team

ALAMEDA, Calif. -- On one hand, Oakland Raiders first-year receiver Tyrell Williams has played for the only two quarterbacks in the NFL who don't curse -- Philip Rivers and Derek Carr.

On the other, you better [freakin'] believe Williams is jacked to suit up for Carr and face his old team, the Los Angeles Chargers, and Rivers come Thursday night at the Oakland Coliseum.

"Weird and exciting" is how the generally placid Williams described his emotions.

"I've been kind of even more excited all week, I guess, to be able to have this game," he said. "I do stay even-keeled, but I think I'll have a lot more juice this week."

Why not?

Williams' role with the Raiders has grown mightily since signing a four-year, $44 million contract with a max value of $47 million and $22 million guaranteed on March 13 to play Robin to Antonio Brown's Batman.

But with Brown more Joker than Dark Knight and having his wish of being cut after weeks of training camp histrionics granted, Williams became the Raiders' WR1, a task he fulfilled admirably for the Chargers in 2016 when Keenan Allen was injured.

Williams caught 69 passes for 1,059 yards and seven TDs that season. As the Raiders hit the midpoint of this season, Williams is on pace for 46 catches for 710 yards and a career-best 10 TDs. Granted, he missed two games with plantar fasciitis -- the London game against the Chicago Bears and at the Green Bay Packers. He has caught six passes for 139 yards in two games since returning.

Yes, he is still Carr's primary deep threat, averaging a team-high 15.4 yards per catch, just as he was when Brown was penciled into the Raiders' depth chart.

"He had to be excited [about elevating to No. 1 receiver] and he's made the most of it," Carr said. "We could all say it's money well spent. The man is a really good player. He works his tail off, very selfless, doesn't care if he catches a touchdown or if Hunter Renfrow catches the game-winner.

"I can't say enough good things about Tyrell. I'm glad we have him."

That Williams' feet are feeling better is a bonus.

We're talking about a guy who began his Raiders' tenure with a TD catch in each of his first five games, heading an ever-evolving WR corps that is now comprised of Williams, Renfrow, Trevor Davis, Zay Jones, Marcell Ateman, Keelan Doss and return specialist Dwayne Harris.

"It's been not exactly how I've wanted, fighting through everything with my feet," Williams said of his first season in Oakland. "It's been a big thing with that. But I'm starting to feel a lot better the last week, so I feel like I'm just now starting to be able to take off and really feel good and play how I know I can play."

Which is to take the tops off defenses.

As Chargers coach Anthony Lynn said, the Raiders "stole" one of his best, most versatile weapons in the 6-foot-4, 205-pound Williams.

"His work ethic, his football IQ," Lynn said when asked what would help Williams transition into a No. 1 wideout. "You know he can line up all the way across the ball at receiver. You know he can read coverages. He can get open. He developed into a good route runner. He developed into catching the high point of the ball down the field. You know you see him doing that more. And his size, he's a physical presence. He's a tall receiver with speed."

One who had this game circled since the schedule came out in April.

"I feel really good," he said. "Like I said, it's just more of just getting healthy, just being able to feel more like myself because I know I can make every play. So just getting back to feeling 100 percent, I'm getting there now. That confidence is right where I want it. I'm excited to finish out the season."
 

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Batteries, eggs and voodoo dolls: Chargers share Black Hole memories

COSTA MESA, Calif. -- Los Angeles Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers made his first start as pro in 2006 against the Oakland Raiders at the Black Hole, a 27-0 win on Monday Night Football for the Chargers in which he completed 8 of 11 passes for 108 yards and a touchdown to Antonio Gates.

Now in his 16th NFL season, Rivers will complete the cycle Thursday when he faces the Raiders for the last time at the Oakland Coliseum. The Raiders will move to Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas in 2020.

"I think I can talk [Chargers offensive coordinator Shane Steichen] into more than 11 attempts on Thursday," joked Rivers. "It will be awesome. I think any time you go to these division places that you've been a lot, there's a lot of familiarity there, and it is special because of how many times you've been there.

"So I'm excited. I think our guys are excited. The fact that it's a night game and it is a big game, the aura of what that place has meant over the years will be alive I'm sure on Thursday night."

Rivers has had success in Oakland over the years, with a 9-4 record in the 53-year-old Coliseum. He's 18-8 all-time against the Raiders. Rivers and his teammates appreciate the unique environment that is the Coliseum.

Left tackle Russell Okung remembers making his first appearance there as a wide-eyed rookie for the Seattle Seahawks in 2010, when he almost got hit with an egg while stepping off the bus.

"It was definitely a testament to who they are as a fan base," Okung said. "They're rabid, they're crazy and they love their team."

Former Chargers edge rusher Shawne Merriman shares a similar experience. Merriman, who totaled a career-high 8.5 sacks against the Raiders in his eight-year career, said he got hit in the helmet with a battery on the sideline after delivering a big hit to then-Raiders quarterback Kerry Collins during his rookie season in 2005.

"I did the 'lights out' dance and was celebrating and whatnot," Merriman said. "I got back to the sideline and I was just about to take my helmet off -- but I didn't, thank God -- and somebody threw one of those square, 9-volt batteries at me.

"I'll never forget that walk to the stadium. They've got those tight hallways, the old locker room, the double stairs walking down and that hard baseball field that you would always tear your elbows on after sliding around on it."

Former Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson had 2,055 rushing yards and 26 total touchdowns against the Raiders over his Hall of Fame career.

"It's really about the fan base and how dedicated they were," Tomlinson said. "Just seeing guys like Ice Cube at that game. Personally, that was my first time ever meeting Ice Cube in Oakland. For him to call me over and want to take a picture, I felt like a superstar. He's a huge Raiders fan, like one of the biggest, but he wanted to take a picture with a Charger.

"So that's where I was like, 'Raiders fans are crazy but they show respect to guys they enjoy watching.' They always were creative, not only in their costumes, but I remember the time they had their little doll of me. And some of the great players that played there, they would always have that doll, kind of like a voodoo doll. So just their passion is what sticks out to me."

Chargers coach Anthony Lynn is 4-0 against the Raiders during his tenure, having swept the season series the last two seasons.

"I have a lot of memories of the 'Black Hole,'" Lynn said. "That's a fun place to play football. Every game is like Halloween. There's a lot of energy and a lot of excitement. It's a good place to go play."

While Lynn fondly remembers competing at the Coliseum as a player and a coach, he also understands that he has to keep a watchful eye on the stands.

"That's what they are known for," Lynn said. "I've been hit with beers, batteries, you name it. I'm going to miss it. No doubt."
 

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What to watch for in Chargers-Raiders on 'TNF'

(good preview video @ link)

It is a rivalry born in the AFL that has endured decades, different leagues, cities and stadiums.

On Thursday, the Chargers and Raiders will battle it out one last time in the confines of the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum. With the rivalry set for another chapter when the Raiders venture to Las Vegas in 2020, a new chapter will begin.

But in the here and now, the teams are vying for possible postseason positioning.

Still going strong, Philip Rivers will lead the Los Angeles Chargers (4-5) into enemy territory to face Derek Carr and the Oakland Raiders (4-4) in an AFC West Thursday Night Football showdown beginning at 8:20 ET on FOX, the NFL Network and Amazon Prime.

There are wrinkles to the rivalry this time around, as Chargers linebacker Thomas Davis has been one of the most underrated free-agent pickups.

Tyrell Williams has taken on the role as No. 1 receiver for the Raiders and will face his former Bolts teammates for the first time.

With Jared Cook gone, Raiders tight end Darren Waller has taken the starting spot and flourished, putting up big numbers and earning a contract extension.

Raiders rookies such as Josh Jacobs and Hunter Renfrow have become huge contributors for the Oakland offense, while Clelin Ferrell is yet to find his way in aiding an ailing pass rush.

Storylines abound as the rivals clash on 'TNF.'

Here's four things to watch for:

Philip Rivers keeps on getting it done, and so too is Derek Carr

For six seasons now, as the Chargers and Raiders have clashed, it's been the same two signal-callers leading them into battle.

Since 2006, Philip Rivers has been slinging it and going strong for the Chargers. That's the year in which he took over the Bolts' starting reins and his first start came at Oakland -- and it was a convincing win. He's been overlooked a lot, perhaps taken for granted. But at 37-years-young, he enters Thursday night leading the NFL with 2,609 passing yards and aiming to turn around a once-slumping Bolts squad and bring it back to the contender it appeared to be at the season's beginning.

Winners of two in a row after three consecutive losses, the Chargers haven't relied on Rivers -- he had just 201 yards and a touchdown in a win over the Bears and had 294 yards and no scores against the Packers. But his presence and leadership no doubt pilot the squad and against a Raiders pass defense ranked dead last in the league, expect the youngster to have a a big day.

Rivers' longtime counterpart Derek Carr is doing his usual, completing a ridiculous percentage of his passes, holding onto the ball, getting the job done and getting largely overlooked in the process.

Carr's completing 71.2 percent of his passes, has 13 touchdowns to just four interceptions, has thrown for multiple TDs in three consecutive outings and sports an excellent 105.1 QB rating.

The Chargers have won four in a row in the rivalry, all of them with Rivers at the helm. Fanfare or not, Carr's obviously looking to end that streak.

The older/overshadowed Bosa is excelling, too

As "little" bro Nick is leading the undefeated 49ers' defensive charge in NoCal, Joey Bosa is having himself a phenomenal season, as well.

To this point, Joey is the only player in the league calling ownership to 45-plus tackles and eight-plus sacks. His 8.5 sacks are tied for fourth in the league, his 11 tackles for a loss are tied for first, his 17 QB hits are deadlocked for third and his 46 tackles are second on the team to only the ageless Thomas Davis (67 tackles).

The former third overall pick is producing and becoming one of the top players off the edge in the league. He'll likely have his work cut out for him against a solid Raiders offensive line, but injuries could slow Oakland in the trenches and speed up Bosa and friends.

Josh Jacobs is running strong in a terrific rookie campaign

Josh Jacobs is full-speed ahead churning out an NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year campaign and all the while producing at a level that's making you forget he's only in his first season.

At 740 yards entering Thursday, Jacobs is seventh in the NFL in rushing yards and second in the AFC behind Leonard Fournette's 831.

From the outset of the season, Jacobs has been impressive, but he's hit another gear as of late. Over the last four games, the Alabama product has surpassed the 100-yard rushing mark three times and scored four times.

Through eight games, Jacobs leads all rookie backs in yards, carries (152) and rushing scores (six) with his yards having already set a new Raiders franchise standard for a rookie back, eclipsing Hall of Famer Marcus Allen's 697 in a nine-game strike-shortened 1982.

While the Chargers have a staunch passing defense (fifth in the NFL), their rushing defense (20th) has struggled at times. Thus, Jacobs' spectacular freshman year might well continue to run on high.

Is Melvin Gordon back to being Melvin Gordon?

An ill-fated holdout kept Melvin Gordon from the field over the initial four weeks of the season.

Upon his return, Gordon hardly looked like himself in his first four games. On Sunday against the Packers, though, the extraordinary version of Gordon was finally on display for the first time in 2019.

Both of the Chargers' touchdowns in the 26-11 win came via Gordon runs as he tallied 109 scrimmage yards.

Also of note is that Gordon had 14 total touchdowns and 1,325 scrimmage yards last season -- in which he played only 12 games. Should he stay healthy, that's how many he'd play this year, too.

It's another sign of the Chargers rounding into the form that so many predicted of them before the campaign commenced.

Gordon's never truly had a huge outing against the Raiders, however, with his last showing in Week 10 of 2018 seeing him match a career-best against Oakland with 93 yards on the ground (165 from scrimmage).

With Gordon at his best, one could surmise the Chargers are at their best. That storyline continues to play out on Thursday night.
 

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My honest take on tonight's game?
The Raiders have played more consistent football in all their games. They have the better OL and DL by far IMHO. Their LBs and secondary are the defenses weakness. But their DL against the Chargers OL, I think the Raiders win this one.

I think the Raiders win this one, but as usual I hope I am wrong. But I expect more Pittsburgh-esque games and less Green Bay-esque games from the Bolts. So Chargers... Prove me wrong.
 

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Wherever these Valkyries drop me...
Weird as it sounds, I'm gonna miss the old Oakland stadium (though not the dirt infield! Ouch!)

I watched many an As game there...and saw Springsteen in September of '85 :0

As far as tonight...I have too much to do to watch it...LAC are an excruciatingly low priority these days...
(Thanks, dean-o...you taught me not to care about your product)
I don't think either team knows how to win, so I kind of expect another comical ending,
like the Titans game, where both teams seem to be trying to get the "L."
 

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The fudeans are starting to get healthy and their offense seems to have new life post wiz. It’s only been one game I know.
Interesting perspective now that I’m a hater, I appreciate what Raider fans mean to that team even though they’re leaving for Vegas.

I hope the young Raiders can put together 60 minutes. Then they will probably win.
 

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Shouldn't there be a Carson Bank of America Stadium Trophy for these two teams?

Papier-mâché base and built to last.

Trophy can be filled with treats.
 

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The fudeans are starting to get healthy and their offense seems to have new life post wiz. It’s only been one game I know.
Interesting perspective now that I’m a hater, I appreciate what Raider fans mean to that team even though they’re leaving for Vegas.

I hope the young Raiders can put together 60 minutes. Then they will probably win.
Raiders fans are probably mostly cool people, but let's not pretend the existence of Raiders fans deserves appreciation. I have seen some of those morons almost straight-up murder people. In fact, I remember them literally murdering a Steelers fan. Their uniform became that of gangsters for a reason. Fuck Raiders fans. However, that being said, I hope the Spanos team is whooped so badly, the team folds.
 
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I never liked the Russkies but even FDR knew the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
And the Raiders seems to still semi-care about their fans.
They have a funny way of showing it, they keep leaving them - first to LA, then they tried to go to Irwindale, they were willing to share a stadium with the Chargers in Carson and now they're relocating to Vegas.
 

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They have a funny way of showing it, they keep leaving them - first to LA, then they tried to go to Irwindale, they were willing to share a stadium with the Chargers in Carson and now they're relocating to Vegas.

I said 'seem to'.....the frobt office has been on wheels over the years.
 

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Raiders don't give a shit about their fans. They had no place to play until the stadium was ready. Sam Boyd stadium was not an option.

It was much easier to stay in oakland for the 3 years it took.

Btw...all the seats are sold out for the lv raiders. Sold to psl owners.

Friend of mine bought 4 psl's 20 k a piece and the 4 season tickets cost 14k total. They just sent him a bill to pay the whole shebang.

The raiders have made more in psl sales and season ticket sales then the rams and chargers combined. I'm estimating the raiders pulled in 650 mil.

NFL fucked up and have no clue how to handle it.

I love watching the shitshow.
 
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In my Raider fan defense. I wasn’t talking about Oakland fans specifically. Lot of Raider fans outside Oakland