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Fender57

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Here's a silly idea....quit calling it a safety issue but a legal cost issue.
Player gets tackled, tears his ACL, that's okay, because we haven't been sued for joints.
Player safety is what we say is player safety.
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That’s the main gist of my point. It is a lie to say the nfl cares about safety. It’s all about mitigating lawsuits. They are doing practically nothing to make it safer except tell players “don’t do that”. Then fine and suspend them if they don’t comply. It’s all a bunch of bullshit.
 
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Quetzalcoatl

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That’s the main gist of my point. It is a lie to say the nfl cares about safety. It’s all about mitigating lawsuits. They are doing practically nothing to make it safer except tell players “don’t do that”. Then fine and suspend them if they don’t comply. It’s all a bunch of bullshit.
Same with any group of rich biz-nass men. Money is all that matters in that world.
 
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Nice win for the Raiders today 24-21 over the Bears. Takes just a little bit of sting out of the Khalil Mack trade, but really not much because they've made so many other bufoon moves. Just imagine how much further along they'd have been had they not made all those ridiculous draft moves in Gruden's first years and multiple blunders in FA in the 2nd year! Sad. They at least are improving and some draft moves have been great, but they have put themselves behind the curve much furher than they needed to be because of too many poor decisions re: personnel in the draft and FA. Very very shaky front office. It better reverse itself or they will be mired as a last place team for quite some time.
 

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Nice win for the Raiders today 24-21 over the Bears. Takes just a little bit of sting out of the Khalil Mack trade, but really not much because they've made so many other bufoon moves. Just imagine how much further along they'd have been had they not made all those ridiculous draft moves in Gruden's first years and multiple blunders in FA in the 2nd year! Sad. They at least are improving and some draft moves have been great, but they have put themselves behind the curve much furher than they needed to be because of too many poor decisions re: personnel in the draft and FA. Very very shaky front office. It better reverse itself or they will be mired as a last place team for quite some time.
It's not like they didn't try to sign Mack. AB was a mistake and Burfict had no room for mistakes. Otherwise, the influx of young talent has been positive.
 

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How Raiders are building offense around Josh Jacobs, prolific run game


on Gruden spent plenty of time watching Antonio Brown on film and in practice this offseason. He studied the elite receiver’s skill set, then headed to the dry-erase board – or maybe it’s all on an iPad these days – and created some unique ways to capitalize upon it either as a target or decoy to make life easier on others.

Brown was going to be the offensive centerpiece, albeit in a relatively balanced offense incorporating rookie running back Josh Jacobs.

Brown’s exit just before the regular season and his replacements’ struggles have caused an in-season focus shift, one that has recently centered on a prolific run game.

Jacobs, fullback Alec Ingold and an aggressive, physical offensive line have been excellent running the ball in the team’s three victories, including Sunday’s 24-21 victory against a stout Chicago defensive front.

“That’s just our identity,” right tackle Trent Brown said. “We are going to run the ball. It doesn’t matter who we play. We are going to assert ourselves and play our game.”

Credit goes to the players and to Gruden, offensive line coach Tom Cable and other staffers for creating an effective blocking scheme well executed by all involved.

The Raiders currently rank ninth in rushing offense at 134.4 yards per game and 10th at 4.9 yards per carry. Those numbers include two dominant showings against the Colts and Bears in consecutive weeks.

The Raiders can run inside and out, with zone or power, often extra yards generated by downfield blocks from receivers, tight ends or linemen moving downfield.

“No one talks about our guys up front,” Gruden said. “We've got some good tight ends that can a good fullback, great run back and our line is quality stuff.”

The Raiders have done a solid job with running even when the whole world knows what’s coming. That’s a sign that it’s going well on the ground.

So is the offensive balance. The Raiders have run more than they've passed three times. It’s no surprise they jumped out to early leads and won each game, avoiding the need to play catch-up.

Recent performances and the team’s commitment to the run has increased the confidence of all involved in its operation.

“We have a great run game. We really do,” tight end Foster Moreau said. “Our play action is effective and we play well off of it. Establishing the run is crucial for us. The more balanced you can be, the better you are. If you can control the tempo, you’re going to have some big days.”

It can also slow a good pass rush and give Derek Carr more time to work. The run game is the foundation of what they Raiders do right now, a trend that can continue next week against a Green Bay defense that has allowed 136 yards per game and 5.2 yards per carry.

Offensive linemen salivate when given the opportunity to assert themselves in the run game, as the Raiders have done in recent weeks. We’ve seen quality from the guys up front despite both guard spots being in flux.

Center Rodney Hudson is playing as well as ever, Trent Brown’s as good as advertised, Kolton Miller looks improved and Richie Incognito has solidified the left guard spot. The Raiders have played several right guards, with Denzelle Good filling in lately until Gabe Jackson gets back.

[RELATED: NFL flexes Raiders-Texans Week 8 game into 1:25 PT slot]

Those guys want to keep on running, for sure.

“They like it. It’s fun to block for a guy like Jacobs,” Gruden said. “Their hard work and their effort is rewarded every time we hand this kid the ball. They’re gaining confidence. I think we’re all seeing that this offense line is pretty good. Hopefully they start getting the credit that they deserve.”
 

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How Derek Carr's epic 2016 season compares to his time under Jon Gruden


ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Now in his second season in coach Jon Gruden's offense, Oakland Raiders quarterback Derek Carr has started 15 games since last year's much-needed bye. That's the same number of games he played in his MVP-level season of 2016.

That's also the only other time Carr has played in the same offensive system in consecutive seasons. So there's little wonder why many expected a noticeable jump in play from Carr this year.

Of course, the 2016 Raiders were a 12-4 outfit coming into their own, while this year's still-under-construction version is trying to find its identity, though consecutive wins in Indianapolis against the Colts and in London against the Chicago Bears have Oakland feeling good at 3-2. It is just the third time since the Super Bowl season of 2002 that the Raiders have had a winning record after five games.

Comparing Carr's 2016 campaign, when Oakland started 4-1 in the quarterback's second straight season in then-offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave's system, and Carr's most recent 15-game stint under Gruden is as good a place as any to see how Carr is stacking up.

"His mastery of the offense," Gruden said, "is much better."

Indeed, you could have said the same about Carr in 2016 before he suffered a broken right fibula in that season's penultimate game and finished tied for third in league MVP voting.

"He's been pinpoint with his throws," Gruden added. "He's been good with the football. He's been a great leader for us. Give him a lot of credit."

Let's compare:

  • While Carr completed 63.8% of his passes (357-of-560) in 2016, he has completed 69.0% of his throws (332-of-481) in his last 15 games, a rate that ranks seventh among 35 qualified quarterbacks in that time frame.
  • While he passed for 3,937 yards three seasons ago -- compared to the 3,525 yards he's thrown for since last year's bye -- his 7.0 yards gained per pass attempt then is the same as now, which ranks just 24th in the league.
  • He averaged almost a yard more per completion in 2016 (11.0 to 10.2), and therein lies a potential problem -- the more recent figure is 32nd in the NFL.
But while Carr was more of a gunslinger in Musgrave's offense, he is being asked to be more of a -- wait for it -- game manager in Gruden's version of the West Coast offense.

Consider: While he had 191 first downs by passing in 2016, his 173 first downs by passing the past 15 games are tied for eighth most in the NFL.

Then compare his Total QBR of 54.6 in 2016 to his 51.1 (24th in the NFL) the past 15 games and you see the talent level around Carr plays a part too.

Because while Carr was 12-3 in 2016, when he was sacked 16 times, he is just 6-9 since last year's bye and has been sacked 42 times in his past 15 games.

But he was kept clean against the Bears and old friend Khalil Mack in London. Progress, right?

Finally, Carr had 28 TDs to six INTs in 2016; his 18 TDs to five INTs the past 15 games is eighth best in the league.

Gruden said he anticipates Carr's analytics numbers to improve going forward. Carr does not disagree, for a few reasons.

"We just have a mature, young football team, to be honest," Carr said after beating the Bears. "Our young guys are really talented. It's really nice to have that. We're a better football team this year than we were last year. Coach built a solid foundation. I just want to win. But the cool thing about it now is I could see it last year -- we're going to be awesome, I know it. I know we'll be able to play in big games and beat people.

"That said, no one else believed [Gruden] except the people in our building, and that's all that matters. I think it's carried over since last year. I think it will continue to grow."

Perhaps most impressive has been Carr's efficiency in the red zone through five games of this season.

He has completed an eye-opening 82.4% of his passes inside the opponents' 20-yard line (14-of-17) for 115 yards and five touchdowns with one interception. And even with a shorter field, Carr is averaging 6.8 yards per pass attempt, just shy of his 7.0 average in 2016 and in the past 15 games.

As Gruden noted, Carr has completed passes to 14 different players through five games, only five of whom were on the roster at the start of the current 15-game swing last season.

"He's moving our team," Gruden said. "Some of the things that are happening in the running game he gets a lot of credit for -- we're not running into uphill looks. He's doing a lot of recognition at the line of scrimmage ... he's even coaching players. He's coaching them on the sideline. He's coaching them in the huddle.

"You go on the road and beat Indianapolis and beat Chicago and put those kind of numbers together without a sack, that's impressive."

And, apparently, improving.
 

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How Raiders are building offense around Josh Jacobs, prolific run game


on Gruden spent plenty of time watching Antonio Brown on film and in practice this offseason. He studied the elite receiver’s skill set, then headed to the dry-erase board – or maybe it’s all on an iPad these days – and created some unique ways to capitalize upon it either as a target or decoy to make life easier on others.

Brown was going to be the offensive centerpiece, albeit in a relatively balanced offense incorporating rookie running back Josh Jacobs.

Brown’s exit just before the regular season and his replacements’ struggles have caused an in-season focus shift, one that has recently centered on a prolific run game.

Jacobs, fullback Alec Ingold and an aggressive, physical offensive line have been excellent running the ball in the team’s three victories, including Sunday’s 24-21 victory against a stout Chicago defensive front.

“That’s just our identity,” right tackle Trent Brown said. “We are going to run the ball. It doesn’t matter who we play. We are going to assert ourselves and play our game.”

Credit goes to the players and to Gruden, offensive line coach Tom Cable and other staffers for creating an effective blocking scheme well executed by all involved.

The Raiders currently rank ninth in rushing offense at 134.4 yards per game and 10th at 4.9 yards per carry. Those numbers include two dominant showings against the Colts and Bears in consecutive weeks.

The Raiders can run inside and out, with zone or power, often extra yards generated by downfield blocks from receivers, tight ends or linemen moving downfield.

“No one talks about our guys up front,” Gruden said. “We've got some good tight ends that can a good fullback, great run back and our line is quality stuff.”

The Raiders have done a solid job with running even when the whole world knows what’s coming. That’s a sign that it’s going well on the ground.

So is the offensive balance. The Raiders have run more than they've passed three times. It’s no surprise they jumped out to early leads and won each game, avoiding the need to play catch-up.

Recent performances and the team’s commitment to the run has increased the confidence of all involved in its operation.

“We have a great run game. We really do,” tight end Foster Moreau said. “Our play action is effective and we play well off of it. Establishing the run is crucial for us. The more balanced you can be, the better you are. If you can control the tempo, you’re going to have some big days.”

It can also slow a good pass rush and give Derek Carr more time to work. The run game is the foundation of what they Raiders do right now, a trend that can continue next week against a Green Bay defense that has allowed 136 yards per game and 5.2 yards per carry.

Offensive linemen salivate when given the opportunity to assert themselves in the run game, as the Raiders have done in recent weeks. We’ve seen quality from the guys up front despite both guard spots being in flux.

Center Rodney Hudson is playing as well as ever, Trent Brown’s as good as advertised, Kolton Miller looks improved and Richie Incognito has solidified the left guard spot. The Raiders have played several right guards, with Denzelle Good filling in lately until Gabe Jackson gets back.

[RELATED: NFL flexes Raiders-Texans Week 8 game into 1:25 PT slot]

Those guys want to keep on running, for sure.

“They like it. It’s fun to block for a guy like Jacobs,” Gruden said. “Their hard work and their effort is rewarded every time we hand this kid the ball. They’re gaining confidence. I think we’re all seeing that this offense line is pretty good. Hopefully they start getting the credit that they deserve.”
Hope they run the ball down the throats of the spanoses because looks like as per usual the spanoses cannot stop the run. Run the hell out of it to set up play-action then kill em with the long ball. FUDEAN.
 

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Hope they run the ball down the throats of the spanoses because looks like as per usual the spanoses cannot stop the run. Run the hell out of it to set up play-action then kill em with the long ball. FUDEAN.
Yes. When I was a fan, it was always confusing to me how many teams avoided the run against the Spanoses. The front 7 has been a tunnel ever since Jamal Williams got old. The team has had a few decent pass rushers since that time, but, other than maybe Perryman, who was always hurt, none of those guys could beat a run block; a few could barely tackle.
 

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Yes. When I was a fan, it was always confusing to me how many teams avoided the run against the Spanoses. The front 7 has been a tunnel ever since Jamal Williams got old. The team has had a few decent pass rushers since that time, but, other than maybe Perryman, who was always hurt, none of those guys could beat a run block; a few could barely tackle.
Tackling never was something the fudeans made a priority
 

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Tackling never was something the fudeans made a priority
Tackling and also fortifying the o-line. Had to rely on Coryell, Ross, and Shotty to ensure the line was sufficient as they were real coaches who knew their bread and butter. No coincidence these three coaches were so successful. Gilman too, for he had great linemen like Mix and Sweeney.
 

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Tackling and also fortifying the o-line. Had to rely on Coryell, Ross, and Shotty to ensure the line was sufficient as they were real coaches who knew their bread and butter. No coincidence these three coaches were so successful. Gilman too, for he had great linemen like Mix and Sweeney.
Ernie Wright
 

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Tackling and also fortifying the o-line. Had to rely on Coryell, Ross, and Shotty to ensure the line was sufficient as they were real coaches who knew their bread and butter. No coincidence these three coaches were so successful. Gilman too, for he had great linemen like Mix and Sweeney.
Yep. Spanoses have largely ignored the most important part of the team - the guys who push people around at the line of scrimmage.

We had good lines during the Henning days, and that is pretty much the only time I have seen a team dominate at the line but struggle to win games. The other times we sucked, our suckage always began and ended at the line of scrimmage.
 

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Well, they did end up drinking together. See, Mike Jackson and Lionel Ritchie were right.

Yes, I have the song on LP. An incredible collection of talent for that project.
Probably the only hymn that I can still sing. Can still believe in.
 
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