NFL Considering Higher Draft Picks for teams that hire Minority Coaches

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DFWBoltFan

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This has got to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

  • If a team hires a minority head coach, that team, in the draft preceding the coach's second season, would move up six spots from where it is slotted to pick in the third round. A team would jump 10 spots under the same scenario for hiring a person of color as its primary football executive, a position more commonly known as general manager.
  • If a team were to fill both positions with diverse candidates in the same year, that club could jump 16 spots -- six for the coach, 10 for the GM -- and potentially move from the top of the third round to the middle of the second round. Another incentive: a team's fourth-round pick would climb five spots in the draft preceding the coach's or GM's third year if he is still with the team. That is considered significant because Steve Wilks and Vance Joseph, two of the four African-American head coaches hired since 2017, were fired after one and two seasons, respectively.
 
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Harryo the K

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So we fire Lynn, we fire Telesco, we rehire Lynn and we appoint Tomlinson as GM.
Then we have Johnnie boy do the draft with Tomlinson (what a sweet PR gig
that will that be) and we select released Tyrod Taylor for OC coordinator. We make up a new position of Offensive Non Management Advisor
and give that to Keenan Allen.

Could the NFL just be redirecting us away from no fans,
no season in 2020 due to Covid-19?
Naw....this issue is paramount to "us going forward with Our Game."
 
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Fender57

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This has got to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

  • If a team hires a minority head coach, that team, in the draft preceding the coach's second season, would move up six spots from where it is slotted to pick in the third round. A team would jump 10 spots under the same scenario for hiring a person of color as its primary football executive, a position more commonly known as general manager.
  • If a team were to fill both positions with diverse candidates in the same year, that club could jump 16 spots -- six for the coach, 10 for the GM -- and potentially move from the top of the third round to the middle of the second round. Another incentive: a team's fourth-round pick would climb five spots in the draft preceding the coach's or GM's third year if he is still with the team. That is considered significant because Steve Wilks and Vance Joseph, two of the four African-American head coaches hired since 2017, were fired after one and two seasons, respectively.
Both of those coaches were fired because they sucked as head coaches.
 
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most owners suck too. they should give drafr picks to minority owners.

browns lions bucs cardinals texans vikings bills chuggers bangels jaguars rams lions falcons and panthers shoukd stop blaming coaches and blame themselves.

they should sell their teams to mimorty owners and the nfl should give them draft pics. i guess you can take the panthers out.
 
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Harryo the K

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Again, just another corporate-lawyer approach to handling a “ bad photo op”.
Just toss out the “competitive” aspect of the game and use the draft as another
'Vehicle' to “show we care.” You recall that post NO-LA solution to pass
interference? Saved the Game in 2019. Now it's gone.

PS: My solution to the NFL and the fans demanding to be allowed to attend games....allow the NFL to hold multiple games per week in one Stadium, say ATT Stadium. But all the fans have to be certified local citizens. That way when the Covid outbreak comes we'd have a good chance of knowing where it is. No out of towners. We can all watch the graph along with the weekly power rankings.
 

handoverfist

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Both of those coaches were fired because they sucked as head coaches.
I didn't think they sucked. There simply isn't enough evidence to support that!
IMO, neither was given a fair shake, considering both teams (ARZ & DEN) were in the middle/start of a rebuild, and not expected to compete with their immediate roster at the time. How can anyone think Steve Wilks got fair treatment in ARZ, getting fired after ONE season? To be replaced by a guy who had no NFL coaching experience in any capacity, and a losing record as a college coach?
I'm not saying that they were fired or treated unfairly solely because of their race, but I wouldn't be surprised if that didn't play a role in making the decision easier! The decision being to change course in the middle of a rebuild and go with what the rest of the league and apparently the league office wants to see, which is Offense. Both of these coaches are highly respected Defensive specialists, who had no problem finding jobs as DCs immediately after being fired. Vance Joseph is DC in ARZ! and Steve Wilks was immediately snapped up by his old buddy Bruce Arians in TB. So imo, both of these coaches fell victim to front office decisions that went wrong, and were let go far too early; not because they were black, and certainly not because they sucked at being head coaches.
 

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But HOF....it looks bad. We need to change the colors on the jar, get different fonts,
do a campaign on how improved it all is.

Rooney Rule wasn't a Rule at all?

Well, this time it will be different.
 

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But HOF....it looks bad. We need to change the colors on the jar, get different fonts,
do a campaign on how improved it all is.

Rooney Rule wasn't a Rule at all?

Well, this time it will be different.
But Harry...the optics are bad, either way!

In the NFL, a higher draft pick is awarded to the weaker teams...If I was a black person, I would not want to have my right to employment equity be associated with a practice that views my employment in the same light as losing games!
 

Harryo the K

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But Harry...the optics are bad, either way!

In the NFL, a higher draft pick is awarded to the weaker teams...If I was a black person, I would not want to have my right to employment equity be associated with a practice that views my employment in the same light as losing games!
Optics. But the way, regarding black employment in the NFL....
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I didn't think they sucked. There simply isn't enough evidence to support that!
IMO, neither was given a fair shake, considering both teams (ARZ & DEN) were in the middle/start of a rebuild, and not expected to compete with their immediate roster at the time. How can anyone think Steve Wilks got fair treatment in ARZ, getting fired after ONE season? To be replaced by a guy who had no NFL coaching experience in any capacity, and a losing record as a college coach?
I'm not saying that they were fired or treated unfairly solely because of their race, but I wouldn't be surprised if that didn't play a role in making the decision easier! The decision being to change course in the middle of a rebuild and go with what the rest of the league and apparently the league office wants to see, which is Offense. Both of these coaches are highly respected Defensive specialists, who had no problem finding jobs as DCs immediately after being fired. Vance Joseph is DC in ARZ! and Steve Wilks was immediately snapped up by his old buddy Bruce Arians in TB. So imo, both of these coaches fell victim to front office decisions that went wrong, and were let go far too early; not because they were black, and certainly not because they sucked at being head coaches.
I don’t know if they should’ve even been hired in the first place. Maybe they were the best available. I never heard of either guy til they were hired. I guess that’s the case for most of these coaches that get hired.
 

Harryo the K

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The League and Goodell want to get on the “Social Justice” train without hiring Colin Kapernick.
The whole association with Roc Nation and Jay Z , concerts and partial ownership rumors has all failed so far.

...2019
The narrative seems already established that media mogul Shawn "Jay-Z" Carter essentially has a handshake deal for partial ownership of an NFL team or is on a fast path to eventually having a team of his own.

But that's not the case. Multiple people connected to NFL ownership and the league office have told CBS Sports that this TMZ-reported rumor is simply false, that there are no plans in place for the rap legend to become an NFL owner.

The report was connected to the deal Carter's Roc Nation has to become the "live music entertainment strategist" for the NFL's major events. There was already enough to unpack in that. How will Roc Nation impact social justice campaigns with the NFL? How will this affect artists unwilling to work with the NFL in the aftermath of Colin Kaepernick's exit from the league? When and how will money be spent? How different will the Super Bowl halftime show look under Jay-Z's leadership?

And unfortunately, the timing of the report, amid an already-charged atmosphere, has further complicated a murky situation which will take time to play out. Sources said it had people directly tied to the deal -- within the Roc Nation team and within the NFL offices -- scurrying to try to figure out who put the flawed info out there.
 
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The League and Goodell want to get on the “Social Justice” train without hiring Colin Kapernick.
The whole association with Roc Nation and Jay Z , concerts and partial ownership rumors has all failed so far.

...2019
The narrative seems already established that media mogul Shawn "Jay-Z" Carter essentially has a handshake deal for partial ownership of an NFL team or is on a fast path to eventually having a team of his own.

But that's not the case. Multiple people connected to NFL ownership and the league office have told CBS Sports that this TMZ-reported rumor is simply false, that there are no plans in place for the rap legend to become an NFL owner.

The report was connected to the deal Carter's Roc Nation has to become the "live music entertainment strategist" for the NFL's major events. There was already enough to unpack in that. How will Roc Nation impact social justice campaigns with the NFL? How will this affect artists unwilling to work with the NFL in the aftermath of Colin Kaepernick's exit from the league? When and how will money be spent? How different will the Super Bowl halftime show look under Jay-Z's leadership?

And unfortunately, the timing of the report, amid an already-charged atmosphere, has further complicated a murky situation which will take time to play out. Sources said it had people directly tied to the deal -- within the Roc Nation team and within the NFL offices -- scurrying to try to figure out who put the flawed info out there.
Yea. It seems like it would be easier for racists to let Kaepernick play in the NFL than to offer draft-pick incentives to hire black coaches and administrators. I don't know if Kaepernick is a good starting QB or not, but I do know the addition of one more good or bad QB would hardly make a difference to the quality of the League. However, giving people actual competitive advantages based on the race of their employees would weird me out. Does somebody get three Lombardi trophies if his next coach is one of those Amazonians who has yet to meet a white person?
 
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The League and Goodell want to get on the “Social Justice” train without hiring Colin Kapernick.
The whole association with Roc Nation and Jay Z , concerts and partial ownership rumors has all failed so far.

...2019
The narrative seems already established that media mogul Shawn "Jay-Z" Carter essentially has a handshake deal for partial ownership of an NFL team or is on a fast path to eventually having a team of his own.

But that's not the case. Multiple people connected to NFL ownership and the league office have told CBS Sports that this TMZ-reported rumor is simply false, that there are no plans in place for the rap legend to become an NFL owner.

The report was connected to the deal Carter's Roc Nation has to become the "live music entertainment strategist" for the NFL's major events. There was already enough to unpack in that. How will Roc Nation impact social justice campaigns with the NFL? How will this affect artists unwilling to work with the NFL in the aftermath of Colin Kaepernick's exit from the league? When and how will money be spent? How different will the Super Bowl halftime show look under Jay-Z's leadership?

And unfortunately, the timing of the report, amid an already-charged atmosphere, has further complicated a murky situation which will take time to play out. Sources said it had people directly tied to the deal -- within the Roc Nation team and within the NFL offices -- scurrying to try to figure out who put the flawed info out there.
Excellent point.
 

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OK, all those erudite posts were sent to the Political Playground under a new thread "REDSKIN PEANUTS ARE HEALTHY" in case ya'all want to carry on!:laugh:
 

Fender57

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OK, all those erudite posts were sent to the Political Playground under a new thread "REDSKIN PEANUTS ARE HEALTHY" in case ya'all want to carry on!:laugh:
You’re the moderator but I’m not sure those posts belong over there, it’s topical to this post’s subject. Or maybe this whole thread belongs over there, but it does involve football.
 

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Isn’t there a juvenile detention center there? Let the teens kick his ass daily.
Rats. I didn't know it was a prison for kids. I thought it was for old losers like Dean. My bad. Better he move to San Quentin, and, with good behavior, he can go to work on El Cajon Boulevard.
 
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[EDITOR: THIS PROBABLY BELONGS ON THE sOfI THREAD VS. HERE. bUT IT'S ALL GOOD.]

And so it begins. Soon the Chuggers will be doing single game tickets,
bring on those thousands of visiting team fans, let the humiliation continue.
Same old crap. Recall the “SD won't but PSLs but LA will.” Story?
It's a gold mine up there.

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Gill Man

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You’re the moderator but I’m not sure those posts belong over there, it’s topical to this post’s subject. Or maybe this whole thread belongs over there, but it does involve football.
no I agree the thread belongs here, I just picked the posts primarily related to the politics of the naming of the Washington Native Americans which I thought were getting into the weeds. Whatever. Tough choice. Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't. maybe we should take a poll.....on second thought LOL
 

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[EDITOR: THIS PROBABLY BELONGS ON THE sOfI THREAD VS. HERE. bUT IT'S ALL GOOD.]

And so it begins. Soon the Chuggers will be doing single game tickets,
bring on those thousands of visiting team fans, let the humiliation continue.
Same old crap. Recall the “SD won't but PSLs but LA will.” Story?
It's a gold mine up there.

  • Dan AugustPerson
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  • Rams LLCCompany
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By – Sports Business Journal,
May 7, 2020, 4:35pm EDT
The Rams and vendor Suite Experience Group have started selling single-game tickets to luxury suites at SoFi Stadium online, a departure from the traditional customized sales process in premium seating.
yeah that was the original BS line from Fabiani, that SD was not a city that could support PSL sales. That was proven incorrect by a university study that listed SD pretty much in line with CLE and BAL as having the ability to support PSL sales. And this is rich now that the Lambs are having to revert to selling single game tickets to the luxury suites. LOL. What a joke. I hope that whole experiment up there goes right into the toilet and the NFL right along with it
 
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