Israel to declare War against Lebanon

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Concudan

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leisure said:
what's new :icon_shrug:

Blame the British and the Balfour Declaration for this whole mess
Dont you get historical on us mister!:icon_evil:

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It is the only way to really understand why people and countries do the things they do....history always repeats itself
either that or people keep making the same mistakes over and over again. :icon_shrug:
 

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Let's just arm EVERYONE in the Middle East with the same weapons and let them all fight it out. The ones left standing at the end get it all except for one thing.

We get the oil for being the arms supplier...... :icon_mrgreen:
 

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At some point the US is going to have to make a tough decision....


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13848003/

U.S. stands alone in defending Israel

Critics say U.S. has not paid enough attention to Israel-Lebanon relations


By Andrea Mitchell
Chief foreign affairs correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 4:29 p.m. PT July 13, 2006

WASHINGTON - In Germany on Thursday, President Bush strongly supported Israel's right to defend itself, blaming Syria for harboring terror groups active in both Lebanon and Gaza.

"Syria needs to be held to account,” Bush says. “Syria is housing the militant wing of Hamas. Hezbollah has got an active presence in Syria."

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice blamed Iran as well, but Thursday night cautioned Israel not to go too far.

"The point about restraint, I think, has been taken by our Israeli colleagues,” Rice says.

But all day, the U.S. was alone in defending Israel. At the U.N., the U.S. exercised the sole veto against a resolution condemning Israel's Gaza incursion.

The European Union called Israel's attacks on Lebanon “disproportionate."

In fact, diplomatic sources tell NBC that Israel has been looking for an excuse to clean out Hezbollah strongholds in Lebanon after weeks of rocket attacks into Israel.

What role has the U.S. played? Today, U.S. diplomat David Welch arrived in Israel, but critics say too late — 17 days after the first Israeli soldier was captured.

And Rice has not been to Israel or the Palestinian territories since last November.

"I think it’s really inexplicable,” says James Steinberg, dean of the LBJ School of Public Policy at the University of Texas. “There’s been some sense that if they get involved and fail, that somehow it will lessen American credibility. But I think the opposite is true. That American credibility has been damaged by our willingness to get involved.”

Thursday night, critics in both parties say the administration has been so focused on Iraq and Afghanistan it has failed to pay enough attention to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.
 

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As I said, just give them all the same allotment of 20 tanks, 20 helicopters, 5 F-16s, and a shitload of weapons and ammo and let them have at it.

The last one standing 'wins', once and for all.
 

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I don't know what everyone is so worried about; I'm confident that the US and everyone else will stop Israel before they can destroy Hamas and Hezbollah for good. :rolleyes:

Sarcasm aside, I think Israel is going to flip the world the bird and tear their enemies a new *** on this one.

Good. :yes:
 
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It's not the occupation. The issue is, and has always been, Israel's existence.

Next June will mark the 40th anniversary of the Six-Day War. For four decades we have been told that the cause of the anger, violence and terror against Israel is its occupation of the territories seized in that war. End the occupation and the "cycle of violence" ceases.
The problem with this claim was that before Israel came into possession of the West Bank and Gaza in the Six-Day War, every Arab state had rejected Israel's right to exist and declared Israel's pre-1967 borders -- now deemed sacred -- to be nothing more than the armistice lines suspending, and not ending, the 1948-49 war to exterminate Israel.
But you don't have to be a historian to understand the intention of Israel's enemies. You only have to read today's newspapers.
Exhibit A: Gaza. Just last September, Israel evacuated Gaza completely. It declared the border between Israel and Gaza an international frontier, renouncing any claim to the territory. Gaza became the first independent Palestinian territory in history. Yet the Gazans continued the war. They turned Gaza into a base for launching rocket attacks against Israel and for digging tunnels under the border to conduct attacks such as the one that killed two Israeli soldiers on June 25 and yielded a wounded hostage brought back to Gaza. Israeli tanks have now had to return to Gaza to try to rescue the hostage and suppress the rocket fire.
Exhibit B: South Lebanon. Two weeks later, the Lebanese terror organization, Hezbollah, which has representation in the Lebanese parliament and in the cabinet, launched an attack into Israel on Wednesday that resulted in the deaths of eight soldiers and the wounding of two others, who were brought back to Lebanon as hostages.
What's the grievance here? Israel withdrew from Lebanon completely in 2000. It was so scrupulous in making sure that not one square inch of Lebanon was left inadvertently occupied that it asked the United Nations to verify the exact frontier defining Lebanon's southern border and retreated behind it. This "blue line" was approved by the Security Council, which declared that Israel had fully complied with resolutions demanding its withdrawal from Lebanon.
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]Hezbollah has done to South Lebanon exactly what Hamas has done to Gaza: turned it into a military base and terrorist operations center from which to continue the war against Israel.[/SIZE][/FONT]
Grievance satisfied. Yet what happens? Hezbollah has done to South Lebanon exactly what Hamas has done to Gaza: turned it into a military base and terrorist operations center from which to continue the war against Israel. South Lebanon bristles with Hezbollah's 10,000 Katyusha rockets that put northern Israel under the gun. Fired in the first hours of fighting, just 85 of these killed two Israelis and wounded 120 in Israel's northern towns.
Over the past six years, Hezbollah has launched periodic raids and rocket attacks into Israel. Israeli retaliation has led to the cessation of these provocations -- until the next time convenient for Hezbollah. Wednesday was such a time. One terror base located in fully unoccupied Arab territory (South Lebanon) attacks Israel in support of another terror base in another fully unoccupied Arab territory (Gaza).
Why? Because occupation was a mere excuse to persuade gullible and historically ignorant Westerners to support the Arab cause against Israel. The issue is, and has always been, Israel's existence. That is what is at stake.
It was Yasser Arafat's Palestine Liberation Organization that convinced the world that the issue was occupation. Yet, through all those years of pretense, Arafat's own group celebrated its annual Fatah Day on the anniversary of its first attack on Israel, the bombing of Israel's National Water Carrier -- on Jan. 1, 1965.
Note: 1965. Two years before the 1967 war. Two years before Gaza and the West Bank fell into Israeli hands. Two years before there were any "occupied territories."
But, again, who needs history? As the Palestinian excuses for continuing their war disappear one by one, the rhetoric is becoming more bold and honest. Just Tuesday, Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, writing in The Post, referred to Israel as "a supposedly 'legitimate' state" ["Aggression Under False Pretenses," op-ed, July 11].
He made clear what he wants done with this bastard entity. "Contrary to popular depictions of the crisis in the American media," he writes, "the dispute is not only about Gaza and the West Bank." It is about "a wider national conflict" that requires the vindication of "Palestinian national rights."
That, of course, means the right to all of Palestine, with no Jewish state. In the end, the fighting is about "the core 1948 issues, rather than the secondary ones from 1967." In 1967 Israel acquired the "occupied territories." In 1948 Israel acquired life. The fighting raging now in 2006 -- between Israel and the "genocidal Islamism" (to quote the writer Yossi Klein Halevi) of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran behind them -- is about whether that life should and will continue to exist.
This article originally appeared in the Washington Post.

Published: Sunday, July 16, 2006
 

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Do any of you know the history of the Palestinians? Most of them got kicked off their land in 1947 by Israel after the first war and went to Jordan, Lebanon and the rest of the world…literally MILLIONS! Those that stayed were forced into UN Camps in GAZA and some on the West Bank were BTW many of them still live to this very day! While they live in these camps they look overhead everyday at jumbo jets filled with Russian Jews arriving in Israel to take their place. Can you understand why they are pizzed?

I am not siding with them but it does help if you understand both sides of the story as DOG suggested.
Gee there is this thing called history. We can point out that the Saxons did the same to England, then the Normans, then the Americans to the natives, England to the Irish, Romans to the you name it, egyptians to the Jews, countless times it has happened. Thats history, strong survive, weak get moved.

To strap a bomb to your back and go kill women and children for something that happened before your parents were born is just asinine and has no excuse.
 

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Concudan said:
Gee there is this thing called history. We can point out that the Saxons did the same to England, then the Normans, then the Americans to the natives, England to the Irish, Romans to the you name it, egyptians to the Jews, countless times it has happened. Thats history, strong survive, weak get moved.

To strap a bomb to your back and go kill women and children for something that happened before your parents were born is just asinine and has no excuse.
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Israelis have finally had enough

they realized that no matter what they do, they're going to get a chunk of the world to come down on them for whatever, even if its to end terrorist attacks in their area. so they decided go in there and finish the job completely because there's nothing else that will get them help from the rest of the world.
 
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PostAnteaterCharger said:
Israelis have finally had enough

they realized that no matter what they do, they're going to get a chunk of the world to come down on them for whatever, even if its to end terrorist attacks in their area. so they decided go in there and finish the job completely because there's nothing else that will get them help from the rest of the world.
ANd it's our money and weapons they're doing it with too. ;)
 

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This from a FRIEND of mine who's a high school principal-

Guys,

Cargo Drop was pretty much “on the money” in his comments about Israel and the Israeli peoples. Nobody “gave” Israel a state as some tend to believe. According to one of my history professors at IU (who was a Rabbi) in our graduate-level Zionism and the History of the State of Israel course, Israel as we know it today came about in the Zionist movement of the late 19th century. Zionism is not well understood by us, but is both a political movement and ideology that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, where the Jewish nation originated over 3,200 years ago and where Jewish kingdoms and self-governing states had existed up to around the 2nd century. While Zionism is based in part upon religious tradition linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, the modern movement was originally secular, beginning largely as a response to rampant antisemitism in Europe and many parts of the Muslim world during the 19th Century…and a view of the more aggressive Zionists that Jews must “fight” to return to the land of Israel to be seen as worthy of God’s favor. After a number of advances and setbacks, and after the Holocaust had destroyed much of the existing Jewish society in Europe, the Zionist movement culminated in the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948.

Since the founding of the State of Israel, the term Zionism is generally considered to mean support for Israel. However, a variety of different, and sometimes competing, ideologies that support Israel fit under the general category of Zionism, such as Religious Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, and Labor Zionism. Thus, the term is also sometimes used to refer specifically to the programs of these ideologies, such as efforts to encourage Jewish emigration to Israel. The term Zionism is also sometimes used retroactively to describe the millennia-old Biblical connection between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel, which existed long before the birth of the modern Zionist movement.

“Zionism” as a term also has controversial political overtones. The term is regularly used to describe the persecution of Arabs by the state of Israel. “Zionism is racism” campaigns are not uncommon. People who opine that Palestinian Arabs are in no way persecuted by Israel and that the situation is the exact opposite see this use of “Zionism” as a cover for anti-Semitism. There is no doubt that anti-Semitic groups have seized on the term and misuse it to justify racially-based attacks on Israel, further confusing the issue. In some cases, the label "Zionist" is also used improperly as a euphemism for Jews in general by those wishing to whitewash anti-Semitism (as in the Polish anti-Zionist campaign).

In a nutshell, Israel and its creation as we know it today is another very complicated piece of the world’s political eintopf (mixed stew from which we all have to eat), and one to which I certainly have no definitive solutions to resolving.

Richard
 

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I don't like the fact that Israeli forces are marshalling near Quiryat Shimona to kick off the ground offensive. I'd liketa see the tanks and tactical vehicles spread out more than they are on what I saw on FNC.

One Katsushya rocket can get'em all!! :icon_evil: