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How's Chaincrusher going to spin this?

FiftyFive

Dean Spanos is a traitor!
#1
Mahomes: playing for a spot in the Super Bowl.

Deanos: exposed and humiliated in a blowout loss. Still no legit win over a decent opponent in the Carson era without either major ref interference in their favor or moronic quarterback decisions by the other team.
 
#3
Mahomes: playing for a spot in the Super Bowl.Colts

Deanos: exposed and humiliated in a blowout loss. Still no legit win over a decent opponent in the Carson era without either major ref interference in their favor or moronic quarterback decisions by the other team.
Your above post is as idiotic as ever.

1. The Chargers lost 41-28. That is a two score loss, which is not a blowout loss for anyone with enough intelligence to be able to add. Further, the Patriots did not play a prevent defense the entire game. All 28 points were earned.

2. Considering the refs absolutely gave the Patriots a net of 18 first half points, the closeness of the score is actually not that bad. 3rd down stop--penalty; 3rd down stop--not even close to a penalty penalty; fumbled punt ruled on the field as no recovery reversed without irrefutable video evidence. Not one angle proved the alleged recovery conclusively, which is the standard. No angle showed the ball the enire time nor could that be pieced together from multiple angles--just awful officiating. This is especially so when compared to the keystone cops act last week in Baltimore where Watt scored a TD that was as plain as day that was not changed on replay review, followed by the ball being incorrectly spotted, causing Gordon's first run not to be a TD, followed by another missed spot and then finally a TD. The Patriot player may have recovered the fumble today, but the video evidence was not conclusive regarding that and "probably recovered it" is not supposed to count against a call on the field to the contrary.

And that does not even take into consideration the non-calls going the other way. The refs blow the play dead and Rivers gets rid of the ball only to get clobbered 4 or 5 seconds after the ball was dead. Where was the 15 yard penalty? Why was NE allowed to play physcial with its secondary players with no penalty, but the Chargers got called for breathing in the vicinity of any of Tom Brady's receivers?

3. Mahomes played the Colts at home and basically played a mediocre game despite having wide open receivers and next to no pressure. The Chiefs lost in Foxborough and it did not take the refs giving 18 net first half points to the Patriots to get the job done in that game.

4. Finally, the Chargers finished the regular season with spectacular wins that included overcoming a multitude of bad referee calls against them versus CIN, TEN, SEA, PIT, KC and BAL. Only someone with his head up his a$$ would conclude the Chargers were the net beneficiaries of referee calls this season.
 

wrbanwal

Well-Known Member
#6
It was a blowout at half time dude. and yes, those 14 points in the 4th were garbage, just like the trailer park renting, scum sucking owner of your beloved team.

I'm not even going to respond to the refs and your hate of KC's Mahomes - you gotta see the bigger picture here

FUDEAN
 

captaind

Resist the Dark Side — Join the Alliance
#10
Your above post is as idiotic as ever.

1. The Chargers lost 41-28. That is a two score loss, which is not a blowout loss for anyone with enough intelligence to be able to add. Further, the Patriots did not play a prevent defense the entire game. All 28 points were earned.

2. Considering the refs absolutely gave the Patriots a net of 18 first half points, the closeness of the score is actually not that bad. 3rd down stop--penalty; 3rd down stop--not even close to a penalty penalty; fumbled punt ruled on the field as no recovery reversed without irrefutable video evidence. Not one angle proved the alleged recovery conclusively, which is the standard. No angle showed the ball the enire time nor could that be pieced together from multiple angles--just awful officiating. This is especially so when compared to the keystone cops act last week in Baltimore where Watt scored a TD that was as plain as day that was not changed on replay review, followed by the ball being incorrectly spotted, causing Gordon's first run not to be a TD, followed by another missed spot and then finally a TD. The Patriot player may have recovered the fumble today, but the video evidence was not conclusive regarding that and "probably recovered it" is not supposed to count against a call on the field to the contrary.

And that does not even take into consideration the non-calls going the other way. The refs blow the play dead and Rivers gets rid of the ball only to get clobbered 4 or 5 seconds after the ball was dead. Where was the 15 yard penalty? Why was NE allowed to play physcial with its secondary players with no penalty, but the Chargers got called for breathing in the vicinity of any of Tom Brady's receivers?

3. Mahomes played the Colts at home and basically played a mediocre game despite having wide open receivers and next to no pressure. The Chiefs lost in Foxborough and it did not take the refs giving 18 net first half points to the Patriots to get the job done in that game.

4. Finally, the Chargers finished the regular season with spectacular wins that included overcoming a multitude of bad referee calls against them versus CIN, TEN, SEA, PIT, KC and BAL. Only someone with his head up his a$$ would conclude the Chargers were the net beneficiaries of referee calls this season.
This could be the most delusional post in the history of Internet forums.
 

Gill Man

Inaugural San Diego Charger Fan Since 1962 FUDEAN
Staff member
Moderator
#12
Here's the truth, skip the talking points and fake news above. This article brutally criticizes the coaching of the chokers:
https://sports.yahoo.com/bill-belic...rs-move-another-afc-title-game-213712274.html

Last paragraph, take notes:
"We’re getting the two most deserving teams in the AFC championship game. We’re used to seeing the Patriots in this spot. We’re used to seeing them in the Super Bowl too, and the Chiefs should realize they better be sharp all week if they’re going to keep New England from making it there again."
 

Gill Man

Inaugural San Diego Charger Fan Since 1962 FUDEAN
Staff member
Moderator
#16
Don't let facts enter the discussion, they are getting in the way of the rationalization storyline. Remember, the spanoses were the best team in 2018 and should have won the Lombardi, it was taken from them by officiating and by lucky scheduling and injuries, blah blah blah. Any team winning the SB will have to have an asterisk *(lac actually won the SB in theory)
 

TTK

EX-Charger Fan
#17
Here's the truth, skip the talking points and fake news above. This article brutally criticizes the coaching of the chokers:
https://sports.yahoo.com/bill-belic...rs-move-another-afc-title-game-213712274.html

Last paragraph, take notes:
"We’re getting the two most deserving teams in the AFC championship game. We’re used to seeing the Patriots in this spot. We’re used to seeing them in the Super Bowl too, and the Chiefs should realize they better be sharp all week if they’re going to keep New England from making it there again."
For all the praise they received for last week's game plan vs the Ravens, this was perhaps the worst post-season game plan I've ever seen today. It was like watching a vanilla pre-season defense from Costa Mesa.
 

captaind

Resist the Dark Side — Join the Alliance
#18
For all the praise they received for last week's game plan vs the Ravens, this was perhaps the worst post-season game plan I've ever seen today. It was like watching a vanilla pre-season defense from Costa Mesa.
It was the Super Bowl XXIX defense.
 

Gill Man

Inaugural San Diego Charger Fan Since 1962 FUDEAN
Staff member
Moderator
#19
For all the praise they received for last week's game plan vs the Ravens, this was perhaps the worst post-season game plan I've ever seen today. It was like watching a vanilla pre-season defense from Costa Mesa.
I was truly surprised at how badly they were prepared by Bradley. And that has to go to Anthony Lynn too.......he signed off on that POS strategy against Brady. On the other side of the ball, Whiz did zip to counter what Flores was bringing and Bellicheck brilliantly schemed to throw Rivers off and keep him unsettled the entire day. OUTCOACHED, OUTPLAYED. Huge difference in the 2 teams ability. And it wasn't simply coaching either. The Pats absolutely dominated the interior line play on both sides of the ball the entire game.

I would not be surprised to see the Pats back in the SB BTW. Just too much experience and confidence and discipline on that team....they are the cream of the crop in not just the AFC but the NFL still. Tough road thru Arrowhead and I love Mahomes.....but damn NE is good.
 

TTK

EX-Charger Fan
#20
I was truly surprised at how badly they were prepared by Bradley. And that has to go to Anthony Lynn too.......he signed off on that POS strategy against Brady. On the other side of the ball, Whiz did zip to counter what Flores was bringing and Bellicheck brilliantly schemed to throw Rivers off and keep him unsettled the entire day. OUTCOACHED, OUTPLAYED. Huge difference in the 2 teams ability. And it wasn't simply coaching either. The Pats absolutely dominated the interior line play on both sides of the ball the entire game.

I would not be surprised to see the Pats back in the SB BTW. Just too much experience and confidence and discipline on that team....they are the cream of the crop in not just the AFC but the NFL still. Tough road thru Arrowhead and I love Mahomes.....but damn NE is good.
Whiz did the same thing in the playoff game against the Broncos back in McCoy's first year. No adjustments the entire game until late in the 4th quater during garbage time/prevent defense, same as today.

I guess that's the Whiz playoff special.
 

Savage Lizard

FORMER Charger fan at 7000'
#21
Your above post is as idiotic as ever.

1. The Chargers lost 41-28. That is a two score loss, which is not a blowout loss for anyone with enough intelligence to be able to add. Further, the Patriots did not play a prevent defense the entire game. All 28 points were earned.

2. Considering the refs absolutely gave the Patriots a net of 18 first half points, the closeness of the score is actually not that bad. 3rd down stop--penalty; 3rd down stop--not even close to a penalty penalty; fumbled punt ruled on the field as no recovery reversed without irrefutable video evidence. Not one angle proved the alleged recovery conclusively, which is the standard. No angle showed the ball the enire time nor could that be pieced together from multiple angles--just awful officiating. This is especially so when compared to the keystone cops act last week in Baltimore where Watt scored a TD that was as plain as day that was not changed on replay review, followed by the ball being incorrectly spotted, causing Gordon's first run not to be a TD, followed by another missed spot and then finally a TD. The Patriot player may have recovered the fumble today, but the video evidence was not conclusive regarding that and "probably recovered it" is not supposed to count against a call on the field to the contrary.

And that does not even take into consideration the non-calls going the other way. The refs blow the play dead and Rivers gets rid of the ball only to get clobbered 4 or 5 seconds after the ball was dead. Where was the 15 yard penalty? Why was NE allowed to play physcial with its secondary players with no penalty, but the Chargers got called for breathing in the vicinity of any of Tom Brady's receivers?

3. Mahomes played the Colts at home and basically played a mediocre game despite having wide open receivers and next to no pressure. The Chiefs lost in Foxborough and it did not take the refs giving 18 net first half points to the Patriots to get the job done in that game.

4. Finally, the Chargers finished the regular season with spectacular wins that included overcoming a multitude of bad referee calls against them versus CIN, TEN, SEA, PIT, KC and BAL. Only someone with his head up his a$$ would conclude the Chargers were the net beneficiaries of referee calls this season.
Do you just not understand how football works? Often, when a team is beating the sh-t out of another team, they start to do what they can to shorten the game. They run a lot to keep the clock moving, and on defense they aren't stressing giving up plays and points so long as the clock keeps running. If the team that is getting their as-es handed to them happens to score some points when the as-kicking team takes their foot off of the gas it doesn't mean the game was more competitive than it actually was.

The two best teams in the AFC are playing next week. The team that fattened up on shi-ty teams in the regular season isn't.
 

Savage Lizard

FORMER Charger fan at 7000'
#22
Your above post is as idiotic as ever.

1. The Chargers lost 41-28. That is a two score loss, which is not a blowout loss for anyone with enough intelligence to be able to add. Further, the Patriots did not play a prevent defense the entire game. All 28 points were earned.

2. Considering the refs absolutely gave the Patriots a net of 18 first half points, the closeness of the score is actually not that bad. 3rd down stop--penalty; 3rd down stop--not even close to a penalty penalty; fumbled punt ruled on the field as no recovery reversed without irrefutable video evidence. Not one angle proved the alleged recovery conclusively, which is the standard. No angle showed the ball the enire time nor could that be pieced together from multiple angles--just awful officiating. This is especially so when compared to the keystone cops act last week in Baltimore where Watt scored a TD that was as plain as day that was not changed on replay review, followed by the ball being incorrectly spotted, causing Gordon's first run not to be a TD, followed by another missed spot and then finally a TD. The Patriot player may have recovered the fumble today, but the video evidence was not conclusive regarding that and "probably recovered it" is not supposed to count against a call on the field to the contrary.

And that does not even take into consideration the non-calls going the other way. The refs blow the play dead and Rivers gets rid of the ball only to get clobbered 4 or 5 seconds after the ball was dead. Where was the 15 yard penalty? Why was NE allowed to play physcial with its secondary players with no penalty, but the Chargers got called for breathing in the vicinity of any of Tom Brady's receivers?

3. Mahomes played the Colts at home and basically played a mediocre game despite having wide open receivers and next to no pressure. The Chiefs lost in Foxborough and it did not take the refs giving 18 net first half points to the Patriots to get the job done in that game.

4. Finally, the Chargers finished the regular season with spectacular wins that included overcoming a multitude of bad referee calls against them versus CIN, TEN, SEA, PIT, KC and BAL. Only someone with his head up his a$$ would conclude the Chargers were the net beneficiaries of referee calls this season.
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#23
I thought there was no way chain crusher could spin this game, but I am amazed at the delusion.

I hope you stick with your psychiatrist and you guys eventually figuring out the proper dosages for your schizophrenia.


This game was over very quickly and Chargers got completely trashed.

But sure keep telling yourself that.

I don't remember one game this year where the chargers completely trashed a good team the way they got dumpstered today
 

Lancer 1

Betrayed Bolt Supporter
#24
The two best teams in the AFC are playing next week. The team that fattened up on shi-ty teams in the regular season isn't.
It's debatable whether KC & NE are the conferences 2 best teams, a case could be made for several teams but as good as they are (especially in the postseason), the Patriots are classic example of a team that consistently fattens their record by feasting on lousy teams, considering their divisional opponents.

That, and as outsmarted & outclassed as they were in Foxboro, it's hard to deny that the Chargers beat some pretty good teams this season, to include 2 that the Patriots lost against, 3 that made the playoffs and 1 in the postseason.
 

Lancer 1

Betrayed Bolt Supporter
#25
I don't remember one game this year where the chargers completely trashed a good team the way they got dumpstered today
I do, last weekend in the Wild Card round. Despite their talented but inexperienced quarterback, that defense is dominant, and their running game, especially with Lamar Jackson is usually lethal and if he can develop just a little more accuracy in his passes, the Ravens will probably own that division and be a force to be reckoned with.
 
#26
I for one, will give props to Chaincrusher for coming in here time and time again, and much like his QB, standing in the pocket and taking the hits...Under the circumstances, one can be excused for throwing up dying quails every once in a while. He gets a pass from me this morning, as do all respectful LAC fans here. Regardless of how any of us feel about the team these days, we were all once SDC fans, and not long ago, a day like yesterday would've devastated us all.

This was a case of two good teams who came in to a game with totally different mindsets. Personally, I thought the LAC looked better on paper, but their gameplan was to just go out there and execute what got them there. You know the old coaching cliche that 'if we just go out there, execute and play our game, it won't matter what the other team does.'.....Pat*s on the other hand, had a specific game planned just for the Chargers!

On offense, they used their RB's masterfully....Sony Michel and James White both had career days, one with running the ball, the other by catching it out of the backfield. 15 catches by White is a record, and was obviously something they specifically planned for to exploit a weakness in LAC defense. I was surprised that Bradley could not make the necessary adjustments to stop it. He went with the same 7-11 zone D that worked against Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, with the only problem being that Tom Brady is NOT Lamar Jackson! They did switch to man to man coverage in the end of 1st half, but that only opened up things in the running game for Michel and created mismatches against bigger LBs in single coverage for White. The Chargers were never able to put any pressure on Brady, and when they did get there, the ball was already gone. NE game plan was to get the ball out of Brady's hand quickly, with 36 of his 44 passes traveling less than 10 yards from the LOS...16 of them being screens behind the LOS! Brady was not sacked once and was only hit twice in the whole game! There is no way to beat NE, if you can't get to Brady or force him into mistakes.

On Defense, the Pat*s had Dante Hightower hit Rivers on every chance....some were questionably late, and they may have gotten flagged for a couple but there definitely was a plan in place to throw Rivers off his game and it worked. There was also a fair bit of grabbing and holding going on with the receivers that NE seems to get away with every year in the playoffs. Irrespective of that, there was outstanding efforts by guys like Stephon Gilmore (beast), Patrick Chung and the aforementioned Hightower that executed the gameplan perfectly. Even still, 28 points should've been enough to win if your defense had shown up!
 
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#27
I for one, will give props to Chaincrusher for coming in here time and time again, and much like his QB, standing in the pocket and taking the hits...Under the circumstances, one can be excused for throwing up dying quails every once in a while. He gets a pass from me this morning, as do all respectful LAC fans here. Regardless of how any of us feel about the team these days, we were all once SDC fans, and not long ago, a day like yesterday would've devastated us all.

This was a case of two good teams who came in to a game with totally different outlooks. Personally, I thought the LAC looked better on paper, but their gameplan was to just go out there and execute what got them there. You know the old coaching cliche that 'if we just go out there, execute and play our game, it won't matter what the other team does.'.....Pat*s on the other hand, had a specific game planned just for the Chargers!

On offense, they used their RB's masterfully....Sony Michel and James White both had career days, one with running the ball, the other by catching it out of the backfield. 15 catches by White is a record, and was obviously something they specifically planned for to exploit a weakness in LAC defense. I was surprised that Bradley could not make the necessary adjustments to stop it. He went with the same 7-11 zone D that worked against Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, with the only problem being that Tom Brady is NOT Lamar Jackson! They did switch to man to man coverage in the end of 1st half, but that only opened up things in the running game for Michel and created mismatches against bigger LBs in single coverage for White. The Chargers were never able to put any pressure on Brady, and when they did get there, the ball was already gone. NE game plan was to get the ball out of Brady's hand quickly, with 36 of his 44 passes traveling less than 10 yards from the LOS...16 of them being screens behind the LOS! Brady was not sacked once and was only hit twice in the whole game! There is no way to beat NE, if you can't get to Brady or force him into mistakes.

On Defense, the Pat*s had Dante Hightower hit Rivers on every chance....some were questionably late, and they may have gotten flagged for a couple but there definitely was a plan in place to throw Rivers off his game and it worked. There was also a fair bit of grabbing and holding going on with the receivers that NE seems to get away with every year in the playoffs. Irrespective of that, there was outstanding efforts by guys like Stephon Gilmore (beast), Patrick Chung and the aforementioned Hightower that executed the gameplan perfectly. Even still, 28 points should've been enough to win if your defense had shown up!
Great analysis, but 14 of those points were made in garbage time when NE called off the dogs and just wanted to eat up time. I joked in another post that I hoped the Pats crushed them 77-0 and by halftime it seemed like they could have put up 77 if they wanted to.
 

RamAirVA

Curse and Damn You Spanos!
#28
Chain -- Try as you might, there is absolutely no disputing the fact the Patriots outclassed the Chargers in every aspect of yesterday's game. Give you credit for making your argument, but with all due respect your arguments are specious at best. I watched yesterday's game from kickoff to final gun.

To paraphrase Kevin Bacon's character in "A Few Good Men"...these are the facts, and they are indisputable.

Indisputable Fact #1: The Patriots O-Line dominated the trenches. Evidence: Patriots ran the ball 34 times for 155 yards and 4 TD. Won Time of Possession 38:20 to 21:40. No sacks allowed. Brady had enough time to drink a cup of coffee and flip Goodell the bird before throwing the ball, I don't even remember the Charger defense knocking him down (edit: I read in the paper he was knocked down twice). Brady ended up 34-44 (77.3% completion rate) for 343 yards against a top flight secondary.

Indisputable Fact #2: The Patriots front seven dominated the trenches. Evidence: PR was pressured and/or knocked down on over 1/4 of his 51 dropbacks and completed less than 50% of his passes, getting picked once (should have been more, see Indisputable Fact #3). 19 yards rushing allowed on 10 attempts.

Indisputable Fact #3: Lose the turnover battle, you likely lose the game. Turnovers kill. Evidence: The Chargers committed two (and yes, King's fumble was called correctly after replay as #59 controlled the ball before his head hit out of bounds) and should have had four, possibly five; the Patriots had none. One pick went through Van Noy's hands and a second was dropped by one of the safeties when PR threw towards Hunter Henry who was triple-covered! On another one, PR threw high off his back foot (due to the pass rush cited in Indisputable Fact #2) and had the ball traveled another two yards or so Patrick Chung picks that off too.

Indisputable Fact #4: The Patriots coaching staff outcoached the Chargers' staff on both sides of the ball and the Patriots were far better prepared. Evidence: A bit more circumstantial in nature, but see Indisputable Facts 1 through 3, though I will concede the Patriots nine penalties are a bit of an aberration. Soft zone against Brady? Yeah, no...

Indisputable Fact #5: That game was over at halftime and the Patriots were already thinking about KC. 21 points after falling behind 38-7 late in the third are garbage points, no matter how you slice it, as Savage Lizard and HOF correctly stated (1993 Oilers/Bills not withstanding). The Patriots were simply trying to milk clock and not get anyone hurt, the damage was long done. Evidence: About half of the Chargers' 355 total yards came in the 4th quarter when the game was already out of reach -- the very definition of garbage time.

Based on the flow of the game, that result was entirely appropriate. The Patriots go to KC, the Chargers go home.
 
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Concudan

Still Chargin
Staff member
Administrator
#29
Why are you guys trolling?

Congrats. You got to celebrate 5 Chargers losses this season, good on you.

Does CC need a thread taunting him? Did any of you think he would not be able to spin some silly tale of Charger greatness?

If you guys want to be fvcking trolls, go do it with Ray on Twitter. Do we need that **** here?
 

Lancer 1

Betrayed Bolt Supporter
#30
Chain -- Try as you might, there is absolutely no disputing the fact the Patriots outclassed the Chargers in every aspect of yesterday's game. Give you credit for making your argument, but with all due respect your arguments are specious at best. I watched yesterday's game from kickoff to final gun.

To paraphrase Kevin Bacon's character in "A Few Good Men"...these are the facts, and they are indisputable.

Indisputable Fact #1: The Patriots O-Line dominated the trenches. Evidence: Patriots ran the ball 34 times for 155 yards and 4 TD. Won Time of Possession 38:20 to 21:40. No sacks allowed. Brady had enough time to drink a cup of coffee and flip Goodell the bird before throwing the ball, I don't even remember the Charger defense knocking him down. Brady ended up 34-44 (77.3% completion rate) for 343 yards against a top flight secondary.

Indisputable Fact #2: The Patriots front seven dominated the trenches. Evidence: PR was knocked down on over 1/4 of his 51 dropbacks and completed less than 50% of his passes, getting picked once (should have been more, see Indisputable Fact #3). 19 yards rushing allowed on 10 attempts.

Indisputable Fact #3: Lose the turnover battle, you likely lose the game. Turnovers kill. Evidence: The Chargers committed two (and yes, King's fumble was called correctly after replay as #59 controlled the ball before his head hit out of bounds) and should have had four, possibly five; the Patriots had none. One pick went through Van Noy's hands and a second was dropped by one of the safeties when PR threw towards Hunter Henry who was triple-covered! On another one, PR threw high off his back foot (due to the pass rush cited in Indisputable Fact #2) and had the ball traveled another two yards or so Patrick Chung picks that off too.

Indisputable Fact #4: The Patriots coaching staff outcoached the Chargers' staff on both sides of the ball and the Patriots were far better prepared. Evidence: A bit more circumstantial in nature, but see Indisputable Facts 1 through 3, though I will concede the Patriots nine penalties are a bit of an aberration. Soft zone against Brady? Yeah, no...

Indisputable Fact #5: That game was over at halftime and the Patriots were already thinking about KC. 21 points after falling behind 38-7 late in the third are garbage points, no matter how you slice it, as Savage Lizard and HOF correctly stated (1993 Oilers/Bills not withstanding). The Patriots were simply trying to milk clock and not get anyone hurt, the damage was long done. Evidence: About half of the Chargers' 355 total yards came in the 4th quarter when the game was already out of reach -- the very definition of garbage time.

Based on the flow of the game, that result was entirely appropriate. The Patriots go to KC, the Chargers go home.
Good closing argument, Counselor! I like the "legal style" breakdown, I felt like I was in a courtroom.

To add to your 5th point, I'm surprised that Brady played the whole game. One wonders if someone suggested pulling him and got told off. I would've sat him by the middle of the 3rd Quarter, at the very latest - the sight of their backup QB coming into the game would've just punctuated what utter dominance they achieved, and eliminated the risk of Brady twisting his ankle, suffering just 1 bad hit and in any way going to Kansas City in less than peak condtion.
 

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