Hatin' Harry's Chuggers Thread 2021 and Beyond to Infinity

Harryo the K

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Good morning to you all!
It's been over a year since my last post, and I just wanted to stop by and congratulate my friends here on yet another "successful" season for all who hate the Spanos family and the LAC. The disappointment of watching them get into the playoffs was well worth the satisfaction of seeing them fold like a cheap suit against the Jags in the 1st round...and made even more gratifying by having another AFCW team hoist the trophy. Some would argue that the Chiefs -winners of 2 of the last 4 SBs- would've done even better in that span with someone else at QB, but I think I'm ok with them struggling along with their substandard QB...he's only 27, so maybe he'll do better than just league and SB MVP next year!

Football just wasn't the same for me this year without my old friend, and I don't think that will ever change. I rooted for the Bills in his honor and tried my best to remain interested; but the more I tried, the more insignificant and trivial the game appeared. Watching Damar Hamlin almost lose his life on the field only reinforced this feeling. I can't help looking back at the 40 years I spent obsessing over a game and that stupid team as a waste of time and energy. The cornerstone of my personal belief system has always been: "anything in moderation is correct and everything in excess, wrong"...being fanatical about a sport, or a even worse, a professional sports team is the complete opposite of what -to me- constitutes a healthy and balanced lifestyle. So moving forward, I'm going to try the "casual fan" thing and devote some of the leftover time and energy into something more worthwhile.
Cheers!
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You say HandOverFirst, but you write like a HOF Hall of Famer.
 

captaind

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Hey CaptainD, I didn't know you posted over on the powder blues. I get a kick out of reading that stuff. Same old same old.
Forgot to mention, I actually helped design that forum on its original version of vbulletin. Fleet told me what he wanted and I programmed it. Eventually got too much for me after my 3rd kid was born, and he took the ball & ran with it.

I was also a mod/admin at the NFL forum for about 10 years prior to that.
 

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Forgot to mention, I actually helped design that forum on its original version of vbulletin. Fleet told me what he wanted and I programmed it. Eventually got too much for me after my 3rd kid was born, and he took the ball & ran with it.

I was also a mod/admin at the NFL forum for about 10 years prior to that.
Nice work.
 

handoverfist

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You say HandOverFirst, but you write like a HOF Hall of Famer.
I learned from the best...thank you, HoK!!;)

Hey I know football is on the back burner right now, but I found this little development interesting:


The kind of new money that has come into the league, buying up the last 4 franchises are in a different stratosphere than anything we've seen in the past.
Carolina's David Tepper and his $18.5B who came into the league in 2018, set a new bar at the time; but even he looks like a minnow in comparison to the new Broncos owner -Rob Walton $59B- and of course Bezos would have a net worth greater than the sum of all the other 31 owners combined!!
I think it's just a matter of time, perhaps during the next collective bargaining session with the NFLPA, that we see the end of the "hard cap" as a salary structure in football. Why would people with unlimited resources buy a sports franchise if they can't use their wealth as an advantage?! As disgustingly elitist as that notion may sound, I'd like to think it might just pave the way to rid the sport from the some of the bottom feeding owners who's networth is at, or even less than their team's current valuation. Owners who in many cases represent 2nd or 3rd generations of mediocrity or far below; relying solely on the difference between TV revenue sharing and THE CAP to remain solvent. Owners who, year after year, shamelessly dangle mediocrity to attract fans, and would choose moving to a bigger market over winning in a smaller one as a means to increase franchise value. Now one can think that I'm openly pointing to Deano -and I am- but there are several others who fit that cap, and they're allowed wear them with complete impunity. I'd like to think their days are numbered.
 

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I learned from the best...thank you, HoK!!;)

Hey I know football is on the back burner right now, but I found this little development interesting:


The kind of new money that has come into the league, buying up the last 4 franchises are in a different stratosphere than anything we've seen in the past.
Carolina's David Tepper and his $18.5B who came into the league in 2018, set a new bar at the time; but even he looks like a minnow in comparison to the new Broncos owner -Rob Walton $59B- and of course Bezos would have a net worth greater than the sum of all the other 31 owners combined!!
I think it's just a matter of time, perhaps during the next collective bargaining session with the NFLPA, that we see the end of the "hard cap" as a salary structure in football. Why would people with unlimited resources buy a sports franchise if they can't use their wealth as an advantage?! As disgustingly elitist as that notion may sound, I'd like to think it might just pave the way to rid the sport from the some of the bottom feeding owners who's networth is at, or even less than their team's current valuation. Owners who in many cases represent 2nd or 3rd generations of mediocrity or far below; relying solely on the difference between TV revenue sharing and THE CAP to remain solvent. Owners who, year after year, shamelessly dangle mediocrity to attract fans, and would choose moving to a bigger market over winning in a smaller one as a means to increase franchise value. Now one can think that I'm openly pointing to Deano -and I am- but there are several others who fit that cap, and they're allowed wear them with complete impunity. I'd like to think their days are numbered.
Well yeah, heard the rumors re: Bezos and the Commanders. And it seems natural the NFLPA would want owners who can pay the players as much as possible so the whole salary schedule undergoes a shift.....although Bezos is no stranger to milking as much profit as he can out of his own company (think workers complaints and deciding to try to unionize because of him taking advantage). I guess there is a relative hierarchy of being "cheap' or more aptly 'greedy'. So we what see how this plays out, but anything to get rid of the parasites like Deano is fine by me.....everyone knows how much hate I have for him as do other long time die hard San Diego pro football fans who got jobbed by that guy for years until the final backstab that was totally uncalled for. He is the poster child for what a shitty owner is. And yes there are others too like Snyder , etc. I think you are right , their days are numbered. I hope Dea hastens the demise of Deano and sells that franchise also. Maybe Trumpy's backdoor 2.0 has a chance. One never knows for sure. Bezos would want a larger market than SD so doubt he'd be interested moving the bolt back to SD if it became available to him via Dea. But that is one guy who could make them an offer they would never turn down as they would never have seen that kind of bank before. Thing is if that happened Bezos would likely stay in LA and build his own crib, maybe closer to O.C. or he could just move to the city of his choice. I just don't think SD fits Bezos' style. I'd love it if it happened but I think DC makes a lot of sense for him...that city/franchise has such a lot of history and with the old Jack Kent Cooke Redskins it's a storied franchise. Should be interesting anyway. Bigtime names are entering the arena of ownership. That group in DEN is no slouch and has Condy Rice in the front office. They aren't messing around and were very shrewd to bring in Payton. That team will be in competition for the AFC West soon relegating Deano to 3rd in the division until maybe another worthy owner takes over the Raiders and buys out dummy davis.....then Deano drops to 4th lmfao.
 

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Forgot to mention, I actually helped design that forum on its original version of vbulletin. Fleet told me what he wanted and I programmed it. Eventually got too much for me after my 3rd kid was born, and he took the ball & ran with it.

I was also a mod/admin at the NFL forum for about 10 years prior to that.
Being a MOD means you have grown teeth in your rectum. When posters try to fuck you in the ass they meet your teeth. I could not do your job ever. Kudos to your ball sack and your extra set of teeth

PS... Great job helping out Fleet at thepowderblues.
 
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Getting gas at Costco. Guy in front of me has FUdean hat on. In Michigan?

Let it go?
Call him out?
Flatten a tire?

Discuss
I'd engage him directly and let him know you are a bitter as fuck Ex-Bolt fan.

Then I would stare him in the eye and bust out a double headed dildo and hand it to him.

Then walk away.

Simple yet effective

The End
 

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I learned from the best...thank you, HoK!!;)

Hey I know football is on the back burner right now, but I found this little development interesting:


The kind of new money that has come into the league, buying up the last 4 franchises are in a different stratosphere than anything we've seen in the past.
Carolina's David Tepper and his $18.5B who came into the league in 2018, set a new bar at the time; but even he looks like a minnow in comparison to the new Broncos owner -Rob Walton $59B- and of course Bezos would have a net worth greater than the sum of all the other 31 owners combined!!
I think it's just a matter of time, perhaps during the next collective bargaining session with the NFLPA, that we see the end of the "hard cap" as a salary structure in football. Why would people with unlimited resources buy a sports franchise if they can't use their wealth as an advantage?! As disgustingly elitist as that notion may sound, I'd like to think it might just pave the way to rid the sport from the some of the bottom feeding owners who's networth is at, or even less than their team's current valuation. Owners who in many cases represent 2nd or 3rd generations of mediocrity or far below; relying solely on the difference between TV revenue sharing and THE CAP to remain solvent. Owners who, year after year, shamelessly dangle mediocrity to attract fans, and would choose moving to a bigger market over winning in a smaller one as a means to increase franchise value. Now one can think that I'm openly pointing to Deano -and I am- but there are several others who fit that cap, and they're allowed wear them with complete impunity. I'd like to think their days are numbered.
There are too many cheap owner who would never give up the hard cap. Its how they make their fortunes. Most of the teams in the nfl operate with the same business model: draft well so you only have mostly rookie salaries, avoid free agents at all costs and hope you can build a winner every decade.

Rams are one of the few teams that went all out.
 

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Getting gas at Costco. Guy in front of me has FUdean hat on. In Michigan?

Let it go?
Call him out?
Flatten a tire?

Discuss
Ask him if you can see his hat (act really interested even though you'd like to pour some gas on it and light a match) , and tell him "ive got something you might find more useful" and hand him a paper sack.
 

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LMAO. Check out the glasses on this kook.

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Column: NFL’s players’ union gives Chargers low grades for working conditions


BY TOM KRASOVIC
MARCH 6, 2023 4:49 PM PT


When Dean Spanos asked San Diegans for $1.15 billion, the competitiveness argument was one of his pitches.

Increased revenues from the stadium-and-annex in the East Village, said the Chargers’ owner long ago, would improve the team’s competitiveness. The logic made sense in theory, even with the NFL’s salary cap and floor on player payroll, because Spanos could put more money into coaches, other staff and players’ amenities.


Six years after the team’s move into temporary digs in Orange County and three years since it entered the $5-billion Kroenke Dome in Inglewood, what do NFL players think of the working conditions with the Los Angeles Chargers?

Well, they’re not singing “I Love L.A.”

The team’s working conditions placed 30th of 32 NFL franchises, per the NFL Players’ Association’s recent survey of 1,300 players.


Players gave the Chargers an F-minus for their training room, an F for nutrition and a D-minus for treatment of players’ families.

The training staff tied for 30th, while the weight room carded a C-minus.

So, other than an A-minus for the strength staff headed by Jonathan Brooks, the club drew subpar grades in every category.

Expect better in 2024 or beyond, when the team moves to El Segundo, but Chargers players seem skeptical that America’s second-largest market will transform the Spanoses into preferred leaders.

“The survey results showed that 50 percent of player respondents believe that club owner Dean Spanos will invest money to upgrade their facilities, ranking him 28th in this category,” reported the NFLPA. In comparison, “95 percent of players feel like (L.A. Rams) owner Stan Kroenke is willing to spend money to upgrade the facilities, ranking 13th overall.”
 

Fender57

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I can hear the circus music playing in the background. Seriously, why does anyone waste their time with this franchise anymore? This article confirms everything we always believed. Even the players think the franchise is shit.
It’s a good question. Even worse are the cucks that live in San Diego that continue to support these backstabbers.
 

Harryo the K

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A terrible organization. You don't trade your losers like Bosa. You keep a coach that
lost 27-0 playoff game loss, you let your DC of one year walk, and replace him your
DB coach, you keep a terrible GM, you let your worthless sons keep playing
at their jobs of which they are worthless, you have no concept of fans and no real effort to learn. You suck money off your charities and your players suck, just because you spend millions on them, they still suck. In a real world business, you and your sons would be broke.
 
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There are too many cheap owner who would never give up the hard cap. Its how they make their fortunes. Most of the teams in the nfl operate with the same business model: draft well so you only have mostly rookie salaries, avoid free agents at all costs and hope you can build a winner every decade.

Rams are one of the few teams that went all out.
Hey FB,
I agree that a majority of the current roster of owners will fight hard for a hard cap; but the point of my post was to illustrate a trend and bring attention to the type of new money coming to the table, and what I expect to happen as a result of it.
The average operating income for an NFL franchise is in the neighborhood of $150M...yes, that's a lot of money, but it's hardly a "fortune" for a guy like Rob Walton who's worth $50-60B. A guy like Spanos, who's Chargers bring in $156M a year, would have to operate his sorry ass team for 385 years to amass that kind of wealth!! The idea of one day owning a $3B franchise was Dean's main motive for the move, so when one of these multi-billionaires decides to take $5B out of his petty cash drawer and buy himself a football team, I'm sure Deano and a few others just like him would jump at the chance. Imho, the smaller guys who don't sell will eventually find themselves in the minority when it comes to votes on matters such as the cap and revenue sharing.
 
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Hey FB,
I agree that a majority of the current roster of owners will fight hard for a hard cap; but the point of my post was to illustrate a trend and bring attention to the type of new money coming to the table, and what I expect to happen as a result of it.
The average operating income for an NFL franchise is in the neighborhood of $150M...yes, that's a lot of money, but it's hardly a "fortune" for a guy like Rob Walton who's worth $50-60B. A guy like Spanos, who's Chargers bring in $156M a year, would have to operate his sorry ass team for 385 years to amass that kind of wealth!! The idea of one day owning a $3B franchise was Dean's main motive for the move, so when one of these multi-billionaires decides to take $5B out of his petty cash drawer and buy himself a football team, I'm sure Deano and a few others just like him would jump at the chance. Imho, the smaller guys who don't sell will eventually find themselves in the minority when it comes to votes on matters such as the cap and revenue sharing.
yeah that would be the ultimate result .....the cheapasses like Dean would be in the minority on voting issues such as the hard cap and out of the forthwith because they'd also lose votes on a weighted revenue share. The big boys would just push the cheapasses out......Dean would be one of the first to go, Kroenke would not at all hesitate to get some of his buddies to vote him out and against him at every turn. Karma for what he did. He never should have been given the option he was given. Jerry Richardson I think was the moron owner who was spearheading the 'spanos fan club' during those votes to see who would be given rights to build in LA. I loved that story told at the time about how Jerrah basically made spanos and his team's presentation look like childs play. Of course I also blamed Jerrah bigtime for rigging the whole thing in the first place because of all his own personal investment in LA.
 
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