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wrbanwal

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I think we need one. Let the hate flow

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la spanni draft yet another player with injury history and possible "other" baggage.

RED FLAGS - Suspended for Fiesta Bowl as a freshman due to unspecified violation of team rules. In 2016 went on a Twitter rampage in which he indirectly suggested fired LSU coach Les Miles should replace Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly. In 2016 vs USC kicked one Trojan player in the head and stomped on another's leg. Has other loves and passions outside of football that may concern teams (I don't care). Work ethic and effort haven't always been ideal, but huge growth over past two seasons.
The Jerry Tillery that took the field in 2018 was light years beyond the player that suit up for the Irish the seasons prior, showing improvement in key areas like his pass rush plan, hand usage and pad level at the point of attack. He's not perfect, as there are a couple reps every game that he takes the worst of an exchange in the run game, but he's certainly not a liability in run defense, and his pass rush ability makes him a potential high-impact interior defensive lineman in the NFL.
Tillery's best spot will be in the B-gap of an attacking defense, but he may need a little time before he becomes an every down player. He's developed quickly over the past two years however, and should contribute in a rotation early on, especially on long and late downs.
Round Grade: 2nd
All 32 NFL teams were represented at Notre Dame Pro Day yesterday with interior defensive lineman Jerry Tillery not able to physically participate in drills as he continued his recovery from surgery to repair the torn labrum he suffered early this season.
Once Notre Dame Pro Day activities were completed, Tillery met with the media where he made it clear that he’s “feeling amazing” two weeks after the procedure, and that his shoulder status is currently “outstanding.” During the week heading into the NFL Scouting Combine it was revealed that Tillery suffered the tear back in September, in a home win over Stanford.
 
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LOLZ. GREAT thread:laugh: They hoped the DT from Clemson would fall to them and were forced to draft a guy for need who many called a 2nd round talent. I hope his shoulder becomes a chronic issue , he never is a force against the run and is relegated to Third down and loses interest in football for things he likes better and becomes another Spanos low first round bust like Verrett. I hope his real work ethic is what he demonstrated before the draft motivated him, in short I hope he is the DT version of Big Lazy:D:D:roflmao:
 
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They drafted a guy many called one of the top defensive tackles. One with a non-stop motor and a nasty edge.

You guys can try and make it something to laugh at, all you want... At this point you just look bitter, salty and tired. Who knows, maybe your angst driven derision of the young man could play out. But Telesco has had more hits than misses with his top picks, so probably not.

NFL.com gives the Chargers an A- for the pick:
Los Angeles Chargers
Draft pick:
Notre Dame DT Jerry Tillery (No. 28 overall)
Day 1 grade: A-
Draft analysis: The Chargers ignored needs at offensive tackle and in the secondary to address the need at DT. Tillery is a load when allowed to get upfield, especially when he keeps his hips low to push through blocks. They were apparently not as worried as some teams about the shoulder surgery the tackle had before the draft. The team absolutely needs to upgrade its O-line on Friday night.

NFL.com Bio
Rated as one of the top offensive linemen in the country coming out of Shreveport's Evangel Christian Academy, Tillery was switched to defense as a true freshman. He started 3 of 12 games that year (12 tackles, two for loss) but was suspended for the Fiesta Bowl for violating team rules. Tillery's sophomore year was productive (37 tackles, three for loss in 12 games, 11 starts) but again he had issues, shown by television cameras to be kicking and stepping on players in the team's loss to USC. Things smoothed out his junior year, as he started all 13 games and became one of the top defensive tackles in the country (56 tackles, nine for loss, 4.5 sacks). Tillery received more respect nationally in 2018, garnering second-team All-American status from the Associated Press as he wreaked havoc against his opponents (30 tackles, 10.5 for loss, eight sacks, three forced fumble, two blocked kicks in 13 starts).

ESPN broke down the pros and cons of Tillery:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26545631/2019-nfl-draft-pros-cons-every-first-round-pick
Why they picked him: Defensive tackle was the Chargers' most obvious need heading into the draft, with only three defensive tackles currently on the roster in Brandon Mebane, Justin Jones and T.Y. McGill, so Jerry Tillery fills a need. The Chargers at times struggled to stop the run and generate interior pass rush. At 6-foot-6 and 295 pound, Tillery's explosiveness and length should help improve both of those areas defensively.

Biggest question: Tillery suffered a torn labrum in his shoulder last season that required surgery in March, so his availability for the start of the regular season remains a question mark. Also, some around the league questioned his passion for the game because of his eclectic background. However, Tillery produced in his final season at Notre Dame, finishing with seven sacks and two forced fumbles last season. -- Eric D. Williams

CBS Sports is not as glum on him as the H8 brigade is, not surprisingly...
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-draft-round-1-takeaways-giants-pick-daniel-jones-much-too-early-broncos-get-flacco-weapon-in-noah-fant/

Jerry Tillery a monster steal for Chargers late in Round 1
Woooooo boy. The Chargers got a steal with Jerry Tillery at No. 28 overall. But for whatever reason the Notre Dame defensive tackle wasn't getting much hype, so he seemed bound to be a late first-round pick, thereby making my No. 7 overall prospect a steal.

At 6-6 and around 290 pounds, Tillery uses his length and hands so well, there's no worry about him losing the leverage battle on the inside. He's a plus athlete for the defensive tackle spot too, and he dispatches blocks with ease, against the run and pass.

To grab him to play between Melvin Ingram and Joey Bosa is outstanding for Los Angeles. Tillery is a big-time pass-rusher who can certainly hold his own on run plays too.

CBS Also gives the Chargers a top grade on the pick:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-draft-grades-and-analysis-for-every-first-round-pick/

CHARGERS
Jerry Tillery, DT, Notre Dame
I love the selection. I think this kid has got great upside. The Chargers needed to get better on the defensive line and they needed to get tougher. They needed to get better inside, we saw that in the playoff loss to the Patriots. Grade: A

So if you were able to divorce your desires from the process of judging this pick, I doubt you would be posting this type critique until you were able to judge the product on the field.
 

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https://www.latimes.com/sports/chargers/la-sp-chargers-nfl-draft-20190425-story.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+latimes/sports+(L.A.+Times+-+Sports)&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results

In an attempt to expand the limits of their defense, the Chargers drafted a player whose limits are so expanded that some observers have questioned his commitment to football.
With the 28th pick of the first round Thursday, the team selected Jerry Tillery, a defensive lineman from Notre Dame and a student of the world.

Tillery, 22, has traveled extensively, studied for a time in Japan and, as a child, would watch tapes of C-SPAN because he found the goings-on fascinating.

He already has graduated with a degree in economics. He has practiced yoga with Notre Dame’s president and with Brian Kelly, the Fighting Irish’s coach. He once did a hedge fund internship in Ireland.
All of which has resulted in the belief among some people that Tillery just isn’t focused enough on football.

“I think that’s ridiculous,” he said. “People who say these things, they don’t know. They don’t know Jerry Tillery. They haven’t seen me working in practice. They don’t know everything that I’ve put in to what I do. I’m going to show them. I going to show them pretty soon.”

Listed at 6-foot-7, 295 pounds, Tillery caught the Chargers’ attention because of his combination of size and athletic ability. General manager Tom Telesco noted Tillery’s flexibility and speed.
He projects as a defensive tackle who can provide a pass rush up the middle, something the Chargers hope will help edge rushers Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram and shrink the pocket on opposing quarterbacks.
“A solid first-round player,” Telesco said. “You don’t always get that with the 28th pick. … He’s a gifted man at that size.”

Last season, Tillery had seven sacks, forced three fumbles and blocked two kicks. He had four sacks and a forced fumble in a September win over Stanford. As a junior, he totaled 56 tackles, including nine for losses.
In that victory over the Cardinal last fall, Tillery suffered a torn labrum in his right shoulder. He finished the season anyway and then had surgery on March 6.

He said a re-examination last week confirmed he remains ahead of schedule in terms of strength and range of motion. He indicated that he would be OK for the start of training camp in late July.
“I fully plan and expect to be ready to compete by then,” Tillery said.

The Chargers began Thursday with only three interior defensive linemen — Brandon Mebane, Justin Jones and T.Y. McGill — on their roster. Veterans Corey Liuget and Damion Square remain free agents.
Mebane is one of the team’s starters and, of Jones, Telesco said, he “is a starting defensive tackle in this league. We feel very good about him.”

Telesco said Tillery will provide immediate depth at tackle and also could play some snaps at end.

“He has some inside pass-rush ability,” Telesco said. “That really jumped off the tape to us, his movement skills for such a big man. It's nice getting somebody inside with some length and size to try and push that pocket a little bit.”

Tillery, who is from Shreveport, La., was vacationing in Maui when the Chargers selected him. He said he went into the day with no expectations about whether or not he’d be drafted in the first round.
When the call did come, he said he felt that his four seasons at Notre Dame and all the effort he has invested had been rewarded.

“A whole college career coming to fruition at that moment,” Tillery said. “This is what I wanted. This is what I wanted to be. This is what I wanted to do. To find out I’m going to get to do it in L.A., I could not be happier.”
As for the eclectic nature of the newest Charger, Telesco explained he has no concerns about Tillery’s life beyond football.

“He’s a very smart person,” Telesco said. “He has interests off the field. We don’t shy away from that. I don’t mind players having other interests off the field.

“All these guys, they play football right now for their careers. But football doesn’t last forever, either. He loves to play the game. He loves football. He knows this is his primary job.”

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Jerry Tillery, defensive tackle

6 feet 6, 295 pounds, Notre Dame, Round 1, Pick 28

Notable: Tillery had shoulder surgery in early March but reports have indicated he is ahead of schedule in his rehabilitation and is expected to be ready for full activities in early July.

Last season: In 12 games with the Irish, Tillery had seven sacks and 8.5 tackles for loss. He finished with 28 total tackles. The year before, as a junior, he had 56 total tackles.

Why the Chargers drafted him: Defensive tackle was one of the team’s biggest needs entering the draft. Brandon Mebane, Justin Jones and T.Y. McGill were the only interior defensive linemen on the roster. Corey Liuget and Damion Square both remain free agents. In the Chargers’ defensive front, Tillery will be reunited with Isaac Rochell, his former Notre Dame teammate.
 

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Funny, it's like politics....you can make a case either way and your innate beliefs will color your viewpoint. To illustrate here is another breakdown of Tillery. Puts him in the late 1st to early 2nd round. Look at it and compare to the above. Who is right? We will find out in a bout 3 years time. Every team thinks they got a steal, the LAC Statanos included. And they can go find a so-called expert pundit to back them up. Same applies to us haters. That article above is just as much fluff as this one:

Overview
Position
: Interior defensive line
Height: 6’7″
Weight: 305 pounds
School: Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Combine Performance Data
40-yard dash
: 4.93 seconds
Bench press: 23 reps
Vertical jump: 32.0 inches
Broad jump: 9 feet, 7 inches
Three-cone drill: 7.45 seconds
20-yard shuttle: 4.33 seconds (fifth among defensive tackles)
Jerry Tillery 2019 NFL Draft Profile
Jerry Tillery is an example of a player who excelled on both sides of the football in high school. A MaxPreps second-team All-American offensive lineman, Tillery also tallied seven sacks and 15 tackles for loss as a senior at Evangel Christian High School in Shreveport, LA. He was the first commit of Brian Kelly‘s 2015 recruiting class, giving his pledge to Notre Dame in June of 2013. And he proceeded to make an immediate impact for the Irish.

Tillery registered one sack in his debut as a true freshman in ND’s 2015 season-opener against Texas. Though it was his only sack of the year, he played in 12 games that year and finished sixth among all defensive linemen in tackles. The following year was his first as a regular contributor as he started 11 of 12 games. Among the highlights of his 2016 season was accumulating nine tackles including one for loss against NC State.
As an upperclassman, Tillery continued his ascent into one of the Irish’s top defensive playmakers. He led the team in sacks as both a junior and a senior and added a combined 19.5 tackles for loss and 16 quarterback hurries during that time. It played a prominent role in Notre Dame emerging as arguably major college football’s most improved defense in 2017. And he helped the Irish build upon that success a year later as they finished the regular season undefeated and were one of 19 FBS programs that gave up fewer than 20 points per game.
Strengths
  • ideal overall size and arm length for the position;
  • explodes into blocker with plus initial burst;
  • uses quick, active hands to ward off and separate from blockers;
  • violent swat moves enable him to penetrate both inside and outside gaps;
  • boasts the requisite play strength to hold the point;
  • a scheme-versatile prospect who played all over the defensive line;
  • received best pass-rushing grade among interior defenders by Pro Football Focus in 2018;
  • highly experienced, boasting over 40 starts at the collegiate level.
Weaknesses
  • needs to be more of a knee bender to better unleash leverage;
  • not the most laterally athletic among this year’s defensive tackle prospects;
  • a bit clunky of a mover in open space;
  • could do a better job disengaging and attacking ball-carrier on run plays;
  • has to rush with more of a plan against strong, fundamentally sound pass-blockers;
  • some off-field red flags, including a suspension for the 2016 Fiesta Bowl.
NFL Comparison: Chris Wormley
Teams With Need at Position
: Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, Dallas Cowboys, Green Bay Packers, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, Los Angeles Chargers, Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, Philadelphia Eagles
Projection: Late first to early second round
Bottom Line
Tillery is about as good as it gets in terms of pure pass-rushing ability among this year’s crop of interior defenders. He can attack both gaps or run right through opposing blockers if he so pleases. What could cause him to fall into the second round is he’s not as naturally athletic as players such as Quinnen Williams or Ed Oliver. And despite impressive tackle for loss numbers, there are too many instances on tape where he stays glued to linemen, letting ball-carriers run right by him. But he fits the profile of the new age defensive tackle that’s a consistent nuisance to quarterbacks on passing downs. It’s a major reason he could slip into the first round if he performs well during the pre-draft process.

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https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2019/02/19/jerry-tillery-nfl-draft-profile/

Jerry Tillery | DT | Notre Dame
Height | 6-7

Weight | 305

Class | Senior

College Bio

Career Stats

A three-year starter at Notre Dame, Tillery lined up primarily as a three-technique, but saw some reps outside tackles as an edge rusher on occasion. Tillery had his best season in 2018, finishing with eight sacks and three tackles for loss.

On film, Tillery has the athleticism of a defensive end, the power of a nose tackle and the makings of an 8-10 year player in the NFL. He wins great movement skills and his strong upper body. Tillery uses his hands to stack, jolt and toss obstacles in his way, showing the ability to get after the quarterback, and reset the line of scrimmage with initial power get off at the point of attack.

Tillery projects best over the B-gap, and will bring a premier pass-rushing interior defensive lineman. His flashes are similar to former Notre Dame and current Steelers defensive tackle Stephon Tuitt on the field, displaying the athletic traits and upside of a first-round pick.


https://lastwordonprofootball.com/2019/03/05/jerry-tillery-2019-nfl-draft-profile/
Overview
Position
: Interior defensive line
Height: 6’7″
Weight: 305 pounds
School: Notre Dame Fighting Irish

Combine Performance Data
40-yard dash
: 4.93 seconds
Bench press: 23 reps
Vertical jump: 32.0 inches
Broad jump: 9 feet, 7 inches
Three-cone drill: 7.45 seconds
20-yard shuttle: 4.33 seconds (fifth among defensive tackles)

Jerry Tillery 2019 NFL Draft Profile
Jerry Tillery is an example of a player who excelled on both sides of the football in high school. A MaxPreps second-team All-American offensive lineman, Tillery also tallied seven sacks and 15 tackles for loss as a senior at Evangel Christian High School in Shreveport, LA. He was the first commit of Brian Kelly‘s 2015 recruiting class, giving his pledge to Notre Dame in June of 2013. And he proceeded to make an immediate impact for the Irish.


Tillery registered one sack in his debut as a true freshman in ND’s 2015 season-opener against Texas. Though it was his only sack of the year, he played in 12 games that year and finished sixth among all defensive linemen in tackles. The following year was his first as a regular contributor as he started 11 of 12 games. Among the highlights of his 2016 season was accumulating nine tackles including one for loss against NC State.

As an upperclassman, Tillery continued his ascent into one of the Irish’s top defensive playmakers. He led the team in sacks as both a junior and a senior and added a combined 19.5 tackles for loss and 16 quarterback hurries during that time. It played a prominent role in Notre Dame emerging as arguably major college football’s most improved defense in 2017. And he helped the Irish build upon that success a year later as they finished the regular season undefeated and were one of 19 FBS programs that gave up fewer than 20 points per game.

Strengths
  • ideal overall size and arm length for the position;
  • explodes into blocker with plus initial burst;
  • uses quick, active hands to ward off and separate from blockers;
  • violent swat moves enable him to penetrate both inside and outside gaps;
  • boasts the requisite play strength to hold the point;
  • a scheme-versatile prospect who played all over the defensive line;
  • received best pass-rushing grade among interior defenders by Pro Football Focus in 2018;
  • highly experienced, boasting over 40 starts at the collegiate level.
Weaknesses
  • needs to be more of a knee bender to better unleash leverage;
  • not the most laterally athletic among this year’s defensive tackle prospects;
  • a bit clunky of a mover in open space;
  • could do a better job disengaging and attacking ball-carrier on run plays;
  • has to rush with more of a plan against strong, fundamentally sound pass-blockers;
  • some off-field red flags, including a suspension for the 2016 Fiesta Bowl.
NFL Comparison: Chris Wormley

Teams With Need at Position: Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, Dallas Cowboys, Green Bay Packers, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, Los Angeles Chargers, Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, Philadelphia Eagles

Projection: Late first to early second round

Bottom Line
Tillery is about as good as it gets in terms of pure pass-rushing ability among this year’s crop of interior defenders. He can attack both gaps or run right through opposing blockers if he so pleases. What could cause him to fall into the second round is he’s not as naturally athletic as players such as Quinnen Williams or Ed Oliver. And despite impressive tackle for loss numbers, there are too many instances on tape where he stays glued to linemen, letting ball-carriers run right by him. But he fits the profile of the new age defensive tackle that’s a consistent nuisance to quarterbacks on passing downs. It’s a major reason he could slip into the first round if he performs well during the pre-draft process.

 

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Now, I dont pay attention to College players.

Ray, who does and follows the Irish (good lad) has said that Tillery is not a run stopper. I have seen one bio talking about how he can get stagnant on a blocker and let a runner go by. That is one thing I expect the Chargers DL coach will work on.



 

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Funny, it's like politics....you can make a case either way and your innate beliefs will color your viewpoint. To illustrate here is another breakdown of Tillery. Puts him in the late 1st to early 2nd round. Look at it and compare to the above. Who is right? We will find out in a bout 3 years time. Every team thinks they got a steal, the LAC Statanos included. And they can go find a so-called expert pundit to back them up. Same applies to us haters. That article above is just as much fluff as this one:

Overview
Position
: Interior defensive line
Height: 6’7″
Weight: 305 pounds
School: Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Combine Performance Data
40-yard dash
: 4.93 seconds
Bench press: 23 reps
Vertical jump: 32.0 inches
Broad jump: 9 feet, 7 inches
Three-cone drill: 7.45 seconds
20-yard shuttle: 4.33 seconds (fifth among defensive tackles)
Jerry Tillery 2019 NFL Draft Profile
Jerry Tillery is an example of a player who excelled on both sides of the football in high school. A MaxPreps second-team All-American offensive lineman, Tillery also tallied seven sacks and 15 tackles for loss as a senior at Evangel Christian High School in Shreveport, LA. He was the first commit of Brian Kelly‘s 2015 recruiting class, giving his pledge to Notre Dame in June of 2013. And he proceeded to make an immediate impact for the Irish.

Tillery registered one sack in his debut as a true freshman in ND’s 2015 season-opener against Texas. Though it was his only sack of the year, he played in 12 games that year and finished sixth among all defensive linemen in tackles. The following year was his first as a regular contributor as he started 11 of 12 games. Among the highlights of his 2016 season was accumulating nine tackles including one for loss against NC State.
As an upperclassman, Tillery continued his ascent into one of the Irish’s top defensive playmakers. He led the team in sacks as both a junior and a senior and added a combined 19.5 tackles for loss and 16 quarterback hurries during that time. It played a prominent role in Notre Dame emerging as arguably major college football’s most improved defense in 2017. And he helped the Irish build upon that success a year later as they finished the regular season undefeated and were one of 19 FBS programs that gave up fewer than 20 points per game.
Strengths
  • ideal overall size and arm length for the position;
  • explodes into blocker with plus initial burst;
  • uses quick, active hands to ward off and separate from blockers;
  • violent swat moves enable him to penetrate both inside and outside gaps;
  • boasts the requisite play strength to hold the point;
  • a scheme-versatile prospect who played all over the defensive line;
  • received best pass-rushing grade among interior defenders by Pro Football Focus in 2018;
  • highly experienced, boasting over 40 starts at the collegiate level.
Weaknesses
  • needs to be more of a knee bender to better unleash leverage;
  • not the most laterally athletic among this year’s defensive tackle prospects;
  • a bit clunky of a mover in open space;
  • could do a better job disengaging and attacking ball-carrier on run plays;
  • has to rush with more of a plan against strong, fundamentally sound pass-blockers;
  • some off-field red flags, including a suspension for the 2016 Fiesta Bowl.
NFL Comparison: Chris Wormley
Teams With Need at Position
: Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, Dallas Cowboys, Green Bay Packers, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, Los Angeles Chargers, Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, Philadelphia Eagles
Projection: Late first to early second round
Bottom Line
Tillery is about as good as it gets in terms of pure pass-rushing ability among this year’s crop of interior defenders. He can attack both gaps or run right through opposing blockers if he so pleases. What could cause him to fall into the second round is he’s not as naturally athletic as players such as Quinnen Williams or Ed Oliver. And despite impressive tackle for loss numbers, there are too many instances on tape where he stays glued to linemen, letting ball-carriers run right by him. But he fits the profile of the new age defensive tackle that’s a consistent nuisance to quarterbacks on passing downs. It’s a major reason he could slip into the first round if he performs well during the pre-draft process.

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No, it is not fluff. Nor is the one you listed, which I too listed not seeing you did. Nothing in the article you point to degrades him as a player. NOTHING I have read backs your claims that he is lazy and relegated to third downs... You seem to, like others take his intelligence as a fault. So what if he has degrees already, and has interests outside of football? Have you of Gramps ever criticized 'stupid' players? If so, how do you with any credibility criticize a smart player simply because he was drafted by the Chargers. If you never criticized player who are less intellectually acute, then it is a moot question, and other are raised that we don't need to go into. I would prefer intelligent players
"Tillery, 22, has traveled extensively, studied for a time in Japan and, as a child, would watch tapes of C-SPAN because he found the goings-on fascinating.

He already has graduated with a degree in economics. He has practiced yoga with Notre Dame’s president and with Brian Kelly, the Fighting Irish’s coach. He once did a hedge fund internship in Ireland.
All of which has resulted in the belief among some people that Tillery just isn’t focused enough on football.
" <-- LA Times
How is this a fault, a weakness, something holding the young man back? Hell he managed to play football AND do an internship in Ireland. To me that says he has his ducks in a row, can do multiple things and still handle his business in a field that demands a lot of time, how do you see it?

To me that looks like made up nonsense to try and either make you feel better by p!ssing on the Chargers again, or wishful predicting to show your moxy in disliking the Chargers. Hate away, empty your bladder as much as you wish. But it makes your posts and Gramps posts so easy to ignore if that is the whole of your discussion on the topic. You know, much like it is easy to scroll past Chainy's views on Mahomes because it is founded in nothing but his desire to ignore facts and display what he wishes to be rather than what is.

What have you seen to make you say he was relegated to 3rd downs and lazy?

Criticized for inconsistency earlier in his career, Tillery put everything together as a senior and had a dominant season. His blend of power, length, mass, flexibility and athleticism gives him immense playmaking potential against the run and pass. While he is still fine-tuning some things in terms of technique, Tillery should be able to factor into the defensive line rotation right away. A versatile prospect, Tilley projects favorably to a three-technique role but he can also two-gap as a five-technique.​
- Joe Marino (The Draft Network - Scouting Report)

I tend to pay attention to the CONS of drafted players, in anticipation of the worst, but nothing I have read last night or this morning backs what I have seen in this tread. The worst I have seen is this:

"Cons
There are concerns with Tillery’s block recognition and overall consistency. His extensive profile on The Draft Network takes a deeper look at those issues, while also pointing out that there are some “lapses with his leverage” as a result of focusing too much on the backfield and getting pushed out of gaps.

Most of Tillery’s weaknesses seem fixable at the NFL level, and he’s already come a long way in terms of consistency. Where more concerns lie, though, are with his character. Of course, every team checks out these “character issues” before the draft, but it’s worth noting that he does have some red flags.

As mentioned above, Tillery was suspended for Notre Dame’s bowl game his freshman year and had instances of kicking and stepping on players the next year. His profile on The Draft Network also mentions a Twitter rant in 2016 in which he “indirectly suggested” that Notre Dame should replace its head coach with Les Miles. On top of those instances, it has been said that Tillery had effort problems in the past, though they have apparently disappeared since.

While it’s worth mentioning these potential red flags, it’s also worth noting that there haven’t really been any issues with him in the last two years. All signs point to him being more mature and more dialed-in as a football player."

I guess bottom line is I simply don't understand the need to make things up to degrade the young man, simply because you guys hate the Chargers.
 

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They drafted a guy many called one of the top defensive tackles. One with a non-stop motor and a nasty edge.

You guys can try and make it something to laugh at, all you want... At this point you just look bitter, salty and tired. Who knows, maybe your angst driven derision of the young man could play out. But Telesco has had more hits than misses with his top picks, so probably not.


So if you were able to divorce your desires from the process of judging this pick, I doubt you would be posting this type critique until you were able to judge the product on the field.

Oh Curtis,

Bitter, Salty, yes.... But us old guys are just gettin warmed up :cool:
 
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Oh Curtis,

Bitter, Salty, yes.... But us old guys are just gettin warmed up :cool:
No problem. But the question still begs to be asked. Why do you biter, salty old men feel the need to try and degrade this young man, simply because the Chargers called his name?
 

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No, it is not fluff. Nor is the one you listed, which I too listed not seeing you did. Nothing in the article you point to degrades him as a player. NOTHING I have read backs your claims that he is lazy and relegated to third downs... You seem to, like others take his intelligence as a fault. So what if he has degrees already, and has interests outside of football? Have you of Gramps ever criticized 'stupid' players? If so, how do you with any credibility criticize a smart player simply because he was drafted by the Chargers. If you never criticized player who are less intellectually acute, then it is a moot question, and other are raised that we don't need to go into. I would prefer intelligent players
"Tillery, 22, has traveled extensively, studied for a time in Japan and, as a child, would watch tapes of C-SPAN because he found the goings-on fascinating.

He already has graduated with a degree in economics. He has practiced yoga with Notre Dame’s president and with Brian Kelly, the Fighting Irish’s coach. He once did a hedge fund internship in Ireland.
All of which has resulted in the belief among some people that Tillery just isn’t focused enough on football.
" <-- LA Times
How is this a fault, a weakness, something holding the young man back? Hell he managed to play football AND do an internship in Ireland. To me that says he has his ducks in a row, can do multiple things and still handle his business in a field that demands a lot of time, how do you see it?

To me that looks like made up nonsense to try and either make you feel better by p!ssing on the Chargers again, or wishful predicting to show your moxy in disliking the Chargers. Hate away, empty your bladder as much as you wish. But it makes your posts and Gramps posts so easy to ignore if that is the whole of your discussion on the topic. You know, much like it is easy to scroll past Chainy's views on Mahomes because it is founded in nothing but his desire to ignore facts and display what he wishes to be rather than what is.

What have you seen to make you say he was relegated to 3rd downs and lazy?

Criticized for inconsistency earlier in his career, Tillery put everything together as a senior and had a dominant season. His blend of power, length, mass, flexibility and athleticism gives him immense playmaking potential against the run and pass. While he is still fine-tuning some things in terms of technique, Tillery should be able to factor into the defensive line rotation right away. A versatile prospect, Tilley projects favorably to a three-technique role but he can also two-gap as a five-technique.​
- Joe Marino (The Draft Network - Scouting Report)

I tend to pay attention to the CONS of drafted players, in anticipation of the worst, but nothing I have read last night or this morning backs what I have seen in this tread. The worst I have seen is this:

"Cons
There are concerns with Tillery’s block recognition and overall consistency. His extensive profile on The Draft Network takes a deeper look at those issues, while also pointing out that there are some “lapses with his leverage” as a result of focusing too much on the backfield and getting pushed out of gaps.

Most of Tillery’s weaknesses seem fixable at the NFL level, and he’s already come a long way in terms of consistency. Where more concerns lie, though, are with his character. Of course, every team checks out these “character issues” before the draft, but it’s worth noting that he does have some red flags.

As mentioned above, Tillery was suspended for Notre Dame’s bowl game his freshman year and had instances of kicking and stepping on players the next year. His profile on The Draft Network also mentions a Twitter rant in 2016 in which he “indirectly suggested” that Notre Dame should replace its head coach with Les Miles. On top of those instances, it has been said that Tillery had effort problems in the past, though they have apparently disappeared since.

While it’s worth mentioning these potential red flags, it’s also worth noting that there haven’t really been any issues with him in the last two years. All signs point to him being more mature and more dialed-in as a football player."

I guess bottom line is I simply don't understand the need to make things up to degrade the young man, simply because you guys hate the Chargers.
:laugh: Settle down homie. You KNOW we are haters and are gonna always see the Satanos as glass half empty, while you will always see it half full. It's ok though, home away, we used to do that too. We are ambifantrous LOLZ.
 

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FU Spanos. But I am an Irish fan and have watched quite a bit of Tillery. Also watch the series All or Nothing on ND. Tillery is a real good kid with a good head on his shoulders. But at the NFL level like most players, he is a project and needs to get better at stopping the run. Against Clemson in the College playoffs this past season, he didn't do much so we'll see how he fares over time against pro O-linemen. I can tell you that he is no Jamal Williams and will nver be. But he's quick and can get at the QB at times. Wish he got drafted by a better team with a better fan base.
 

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No problem. But the question still begs to be asked. Why do you biter, salty old men feel the need to try and degrade this young man, simply because the Chargers called his name?
Come on Conc, stop with the hysterics, you KNOW even when we were huge fans of your team we would degrade players quite often. I suppose this guy doesn't deserve the hate we spew on him yet, in that regard you are correct. But you KNOW by extrapolation from the owner , the great satan, we won't stop bashing anything related to that team. It's the way of the haters. We let it flow. Embrace it. Just as CLE and BAL did we do so now. Sorry if it conflicts with your world. Nothing personal bro. Carry on.
 

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FU Spanos. But I am an Irish fan and have watched quite a bit of Tillery. Also watch the series All or Nothing on ND. Tillery is a real good kid with a good head on his shoulders. But at the NFL level like most players, he is a project and needs to get better at stopping the run. Against Clemson in the College playoffs this past season, he didn't do much so we'll see how he fares over time against pro O-linemen. I can tell you that he is no Jamal Williams and will nver be. But he's quick and can get at the QB at times. Wish he got drafted by a better team with a better fan base.
I am not sure he is expected to be Jamal 'The Wall'. Also, most players enter the NFL with things they have to improve, the collegiate level simply is not the pros. That said, on a line with Ingram and Bosa, that could lead to him seeing less double teams.
As I said before, time will tell. Could he be as good or better than what the Chargers have had, sure. Could he be a bust... I am not as sure but anything is possible, right?
 

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No problem. But the question still begs to be asked. Why do you biter, salty old men feel the need to try and degrade this young man, simply because the Chargers called his name?
wtf are you babbling about. I posted articles not written by me then gave my .02

quit yer shiit stirrin

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FU Spanos. But I am an Irish fan and have watched quite a bit of Tillery. Also watch the series All or Nothing on ND. Tillery is a real good kid with a good head on his shoulders. But at the NFL level like most players, he is a project and needs to get better at stopping the run. Against Clemson in the College playoffs this past season, he didn't do much so we'll see how he fares over time against pro O-linemen. I can tell you that he is no Jamal Williams and will nver be. But he's quick and can get at the QB at times. Wish he got drafted by a better team with a better fan base.
Yeah he COULD end up being very good at DT....if he learns to correct his weaknesses. I just think it's sort of typical of most teams and now guys like Telesco and Spanos Jr. to want to fluff up the pick as a steal that the guy dropped to them. He was taken at the upper end of where he was projected. Good for him. I too would wish him well if he were with another team. It's the same with any bolt player. I don't hate them personally.....it's the owner I hate , the guy they play for and represent. He is the one who will accept any accolades when they work their asses off for him and he ends up tossing them away like trash just as he did to so many players in SD ultimately, like Fouts, Jr, Rodney, Sproles and on and on and on. No class.
 

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Come on Conc, stop with the hysterics, you KNOW even when we were huge fans of your team we would degrade players quite often. I suppose this guy doesn't deserve the hate we spew on him, in that regard you are correct. But you KNOW by extrapolation from the owner , the great satan, we won't stop bashing anything related to that team. It's the way of the haters. We let it flow. Embrace it. Just as CLE and BAL did we do so now. Sorry if it conflicts with your world. Nothing personal bro. Carry on.
There are no hysterics, unless you count your posting that he was relegated to 3rd downs only... Or would that be a falsification? We might need Chainy's lawyeristic interpretation there...
Hey I get it. Be Chainy clones... It is great you own it so...

What to post cons and discuss, great. Want to make up bullshyte and try and sell it as 'we are just having fun hating' well.... you of course can, but I thought better of you...
 

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wtf are you babbling about. I posted articles not written by me then gave my .02

quit yer shiit stirrin

:p
You did... yes...

Wait... me stirrin... Read your first post gramps.... I will wait for you to find your coke bottle glasses! :p
 

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I am not sure he is expected to be Jamal 'The Wall'. Also, most players enter the NFL with things they have to improve, the collegiate level simply is not the pros. That said, on a line with Ingram and Bosa, that could lead to him seeing less double teams.
As I said before, time will tell. Could he be as good or better than what the Chargers have had, sure. Could he be a bust... I am not as sure but anything is possible, right?
I'll root for him individually and hope he eventually ends up elsewhere.
 

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Yeah he COULD end up being very good at DT....if he learns to correct his weaknesses.
No player enters the pros without things they have to fix and improve upon in the league. That is why there are additional camps for rookies. None of the cons the pro scouts have posted are items that degraded his draft projections or expectations. Even the RB the Raiders took, who I think will be a beast at the pro level has things he has to work on... It is the nature of taking that step IMHO.

I just think it's sort of typical of most teams and now guys like Telesco and Spanos Jr. to want to fluff up the pick as a steal that the guy dropped to them.
Funny, it is the scout and wrters who are listing Tillery as a steal, not Telesco or the Spanos, but I know... Its a hate thing, reality does't apply...

He was taken at the upper end of where he was projected. Good for him. I too would wish him well if he were with another team. It's the same with any bolt player. I don't hate them personally.....it's the owner I hate , the guy they play for and represent.
...

He is the one who will accept any accolades when they work their asses off for him and he ends up tossing them away like trash just as he did to so many players in SD ultimately, like Fouts, Jr, Rodney, Sproles and on and on and on. No class.
How is that anything to do with class? How is that any different than the 31 other owners, other than you have some unrealistic expectation due to the City and Spani not being able to work together for nearly 20 years?
 

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There are no hysterics, unless you count your posting that he was relegated to 3rd downs only... Or would that be a falsification? We might need Chainy's lawyeristic interpretation there...
Hey I get it. Be Chainy clones... It is great you own it so...

What to post cons and discuss, great. Want to make up bullshyte and try and sell it as 'we are just having fun hating' well.... you of course can, but I thought better of you...
Well to begin with that IS a good topic for discussion because it is LIKELY to begin with he WILL be relegated to 3rd downs (long yardage) situations in his first year. That is a give and I do believe most experts have already mentioned it. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure you can go find some scouts that expect him to be an every down guy first year but what I've read they are in the minority.

And you are making shyte up yourself. Go back and read my post. I said I HOPE he ends up being a 3rd down only DT. No lawyeristic interpretation needed. Don't you go be stirring up Chainny posts, I thought better of you:p:laugh:
 

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Well to begin with that IS a good topic for discussion because it is LIKELY to begin with he WILL be relegated to 3rd downs (long yardage) situations in his first year. That is a give and I do believe most experts have already mentioned it. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure you can go find some scouts that expect him to be an every down guy first year but what I've read they are in the minority.

And you are making shyte up yourself. Go back and read my post. I said I HOPE he ends up being a 3rd down only DT. No lawyeristic interpretation needed. Don't you go be stirring up Chainny posts, I thought better of you:p:laugh:
It does not read that way. But so be it. Do I expect him to be an every down lineman... No... Is there such a thing in the NFL? Will he probably start on 3rd and specific downs. Probably, unless he out plays the other tackles in pre-season and camps.

And please... you never think of me! :cry:
 

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No player enters the pros without things they have to fix and improve upon in the league. That is why there are additional camps for rookies. None of the cons the pro scouts have posted are items that degraded his draft projections or expectations. Even the RB the Raiders took, who I think will be a beast at the pro level has things he has to work on... It is the nature of taking that step IMHO.


Funny, it is the scout and wrters who are listing Tillery as a steal, not Telesco or the Spanos, but I know... Its a hate thing, reality does't apply...


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How is that anything to do with class? How is that any different than the 31 other owners, other than you have some unrealistic expectation due to the City and Spani not being able to work together for nearly 20 years?
IIRC Telesco came up with a statement that it's tough to find a guy at that spot like Tillery......sounds like he's saying he got a steal to me. Yes all rookies need improvement and things to work on , so do veterans. My hope is this guy fails, you hope he succeeds. So? We are gonna have to agree to disagree as always.......I don't blame you for continuuing to cheer for everything and anything bolt, I thought you understood the hatred from San Diegans but looks like you do not. I admit it's hate. I embrace it. Dean Spanos does not have class, I'm not sure many think he does, even most of the current LAC fans. I thought you hated the guy? At least you said you did.
 

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IIRC Telesco came up with a statement that it's tough to find a guy at that spot like Tillery......sounds like he's saying he got a steal to me. Yes all rookies need improvement and things to work on , so do veterans. My hope is this guy fails, you hope he succeeds. So? We are gonna have to agree to disagree as always.......I don't blame you for continuuing to cheer for everything and anything bolt, I thought you understood the hatred from San Diegans but looks like you do not. I admit it's hate. I embrace it. Dean Spanos does not have class, I'm not sure many think he does, even most of the current LAC fans. I thought you hated the guy? At least you said you did.
I think he is correct though. Four spots from the end of the 1st, I am always surprised teams don't trade back and get more 2nd and 3rd round picks. But there was first round value to be had there, so great.
I understand the hate for the Chargers. I don't understand the inability to be subjective on the players.
The Spani can go eff right off. My question was your tying your statement to the Spani having no class. I think it is a poor comparison as, as I pointed out, it applies to all owners and is not something the Spani are doing that is out of the norm. Hiring electricians and not paying them, not being the leader of the organization and letting Marty and AJ act like two effing pre-schoolers, benching Gates for 5 weeks because he didn't bow down to theirs and AJs bullying... Those are just a few of the many examples of why they have no class. You are applying things to that label that water it down and weaken the statement... IMHO. That is no proper way to express a burning loathing for me...
 

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="Concudan, post: 939018, member: 104"]It does not read that way. But so be it. Do I expect him to be an every down lineman... No... Is there such a thing in the NFL? Will he probably start on 3rd and specific downs. Probably, unless he out plays the other tackles in pre-season and camps.

And please... you never think of me! :cry:
It does not read that way???:
" I hope his shoulder becomes a chronic issue , he never is a force against the run and is relegated to Third down and loses interest in football for things he likes better and becomes another Spanos low first round bust like Verrett. I hope his real work ethic is what he demonstrated before the draft motivated him, in short I hope he is the DT version of Big Lazy"

Man I'm a hell of a lot older than you and my eyes are like infant eyes compare with yours :p:laugh:
 

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I think he is correct though. Four spots from the end of the 1st, I am always surprised teams don't trade back and get more 2nd and 3rd round picks. But there was first round value to be had there, so great.
I understand the hate for the Chargers. I don't understand the inability to be subjective on the players.
The Spani can go eff right off. My question was your tying your statement to the Spani having no class. I think it is a poor comparison as, as I pointed out, it applies to all owners and is not something the Spani are doing that is out of the norm. Hiring electricians and not paying them, not being the leader of the organization and letting Marty and AJ act like two effing pre-schoolers, benching Gates for 5 weeks because he didn't bow down to theirs and AJs bullying... Those are just a few of the many examples of why they have no class. You are applying things to that label that water it down and weaken the statement... IMHO. That is no proper way to express a burning loathing for me...
Ok I need to go take more classes in how to properly exress my burning loathing:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: I admit I'm a novice hater, I'll try to up my game for you.:p:p:p

Hey I just checked Saddleback College.....Burning Loathing 101 is not being offered this semester dammit!!:roflmao:
 

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Ok I need to go take more classes in how to properly exress my burning loathing:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: I admit I'm a novice hater, I'll try to up my game for you.:p:p:p

Hey I just checked Saddleback College.....Burning Loathing 101 is not being offered this semester dammit!!:roflmao:
See if it is an online course... We can be study buddies!
 
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It does not read that way???:
" I hope his shoulder becomes a chronic issue , he never is a force against the run and is relegated to Third down and loses interest in football for things he likes better and becomes another Spanos low first round bust like Verrett. I hope his real work ethic is what he demonstrated before the draft motivated him, in short I hope he is the DT version of Big Lazy"

Man I'm a hell of a lot older than you and my eyes are like infant eyes compare with yours :p:laugh:
No it DID not read that way...
Now it kinda does.

What you want me to open a vein or something?!:cautious:

:roflmao:
 

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:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: I love this thread. Let's get some action around here for a change. But hey, no opening veins around here, we might have internet security features but as far as I know no blood and body fluid precautions have been taken. :eek: