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goboilers

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The QB has to be able to work with the O-Line. Can Daunte do it? :no:

He is no noodle armed QB :icon_mrgreen:
 

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Wasnt everyone last year saying that it was the loss of Hudson that kilt us?
 

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Wasnt everyone last year saying that it was the loss of Hudson that kilt us?
I don' think is was as much the loss of Houck as it was the addition of Mauck . From the after season reports the OL did not responed well to the screamer.
 

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It's because they have an injured QB who cannot move up into the pocket and cannot throw on the run anymore...:lol:
 

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It's because they have an injured QB who cannot move up into the pocket and cannot throw on the run anymore...:lol:
Daunte is fine, physically. He's messed up mentally. He looks like Aaron Brooks out there.
 

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Kitsune-udon said:
Daunte is fine, physically. He's messed up mentally. He looks like Aaron Brooks out there.
Daunte was never known for his mental prowess. I just dont get what Saban was thinking.
 

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goboilers said:
Daunte was never known for his mental prowess. I just dont get what Saban was thinking.
Saban was thinking of the years that Daunte would toss it up and Moss would go get it. Unfortunately, he forgott the year before when that didnt happen a lot.
 
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Kitsune-udon said:
Daunte is fine, physically. He's messed up mentally. He looks like Aaron Brooks out there.
Looked to me (and to several other NFL analyst as well) like he is not back near 100% from the knee yet...and some think he may never be...
 

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Looked to me (and to several other NFL analyst as well) like he is not back near 100% from the knee yet...and some think he may never be...
Agreed! But I really think it's equal parts physical and mental at this point. He's not 100% in either catagory and hence is struggling pretty bad right now.
 

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Looked to me (and to several other NFL analyst as well) like he is not back near 100% from the knee yet...and some think he may never be...
Brees isn't back from his shoulder injury but is far better than Dante IMHO.
 

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Brees isn't back from his shoulder injury but is far better than Dante IMHO.
Brees game is predicated on smarts and reading defenses and not his physical ability (or lack there of) ...Culpepper's game is solely dependent on physical ability (size, arm legs, speed, strength)...without his legs his arm is weaker and he is not at all mobile...he cannot get the ball past linebackers and into tiny areas anymore without his legs and cannot evade the rush like he used to...
 

Kitsune-udon

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Brees game is predicated on smarts and reading defenses and not his physical ability (or lack there of) ...Culpepper's game is solely dependent on physical ability (size, arm legs, speed, strength)...without his legs his arm is weaker and he is not at all mobile...he cannot get the ball past linebackers and into tiny areas anymore without his legs and cannot evade the rush like he used to...
I'm glad Brees went to NO rather than Miami, since I can actually root for him.
 

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It's because they have an injured QB who cannot move up into the pocket and cannot throw on the run anymore...:lol:
... and he never could read a defense. Chris Carter and Randy Moss bailed him out with the 9 route all the time.

The Dolphins do have a lack of talent on the OL, and it shows. But, the posters who have continually blasted Spanos/AJ for "letting Houck go" say HH could make diamonds out of coal when it came to offensive lineman. .... guess not ....
 
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The need to play Kendyl Jacox and Damion McIntosh.



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I am surprised that HH hasn't had Fonoti in for a look-see. The Bucs cut him.
 

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... and he never could read a defense. Chris Carter and Randy Moss bailed him out with the 9 route all the time.

The Dolphins do have a lack of talent on the OL, and it shows. But, the posters who have continually blasted Spanos/AJ for "letting Houck go" say HH could make diamonds out of coal when it came to offensive lineman. .... guess not ....
Houck is one of the best O-Line coaches in the league. He did work miracles here in San Diego, but even a miracle worker can't pull it off all the time. The players need to have some talent and buy into what the coach is teaching them.

Fouts had bad seasons, but he was still a first ballot Hall of Fame member. Give him some ok talent with decent attitudes and he'll turn them into a very serviable line over time. Also houck has no control over how long Cullpepper holds onto the ball. They should have taken Brees, at least he can get rid of the ball quickly.
 
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I still say Houck is overrated.

Our 2003 OL was crappy. Our 2004 line had more talent than it looked. 2005 (after HH left) was injuries and infighting (caused by Carl Mauck).

Talent does win in the NFL, and I agree that Houck doesn't have a lot of talent to work with, and I agree that Culpepper holds the ball too long - BUT HH is portrayed by many posters as some sort of OL Wizard and that is just not the case. He's a good OL coach, but not as great as people have said, and probably not near the $$$ that Miami paid to acquire him.

I'm very happy with the job Jack Henry and Hal Hunter have done with this OL. Now, add a good guard to replace Goff and this OL can start to dominate.
 

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Shamrock said:
I still say Houck is overrated.

Our 2003 OL was crappy. Our 2004 line had more talent than it looked. 2005 (after HH left) was injuries and infighting (caused by Carl Mauck).

Talent does win in the NFL, and I agree that Houck doesn't have a lot of talent to work with, and I agree that Culpepper holds the ball too long - BUT HH is portrayed by many posters as some sort of OL Wizard and that is just not the case. He's a good OL coach, but not as great as people have said, and probably not near the $$$ that Miami paid to acquire him.

I'm very happy with the job Jack Henry and Hal Hunter have done with this OL. Now, add a good guard to replace Goff and this OL can start to dominate.
Agreed. Hunter and Henry have done a fine job. The O-line seems to be improving. Goff is really the only one on the line who seems like a placeholder for someone else. I think every other starter is pretty well set for the next 4-6 years, assuming Dielman signs an extension. I know that some Hardwick and Olivea-bashers will be saddened by the news, but these guys have been rock solid.
 
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Agreed. Hunter and Henry have done a fine job. The O-line seems to be improving. Goff is really the only one on the line who seems like a placeholder for someone else. I think every other starter is pretty well set for the next 4-6 years, assuming Dielman signs an extension. I know that some Hardwick and Olivea-bashers will be saddened by the news, but these guys have been rock solid.
I agree that Hardwick does have some problems with big DT's, and can get pushed around some. However, IMO - he makes up for that with good pass protection and VERY good athleticism getting downfield to finish blocks.

Olivea and Dielman are exceptional at getting downfield and finishing blocks.

Dielman MUST be a priority for an extension.

You are right in that we are looking at 4/5ths of our OL of the future. Get Dielman signed longterm, then add a first day OG next draft and it's a done deal.
 

Kitsune-udon

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Gotta love Bill Simmons:
Living in Daunte's Inferno
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060922
Especially this:
Random note to HBO: It's bad enough that ESPN can't show "Prime Time" anymore and Time Warner just dumped can't come to terms with the NFL Network. Now you're not showing highlights for every game on "Inside the NFL" anymore so you can devote more time to features about random people we don't care about, including this week's piece on an NFL photographer who was inexplicably dressed like Freddie Krueger? Why tinker with a show that everyone universally loved? I don't get it.
 

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Especially this:
Random note to HBO: It's bad enough that ESPN can't show "Prime Time" anymore and Time Warner just dumped can't come to terms with the NFL Network. Now you're not showing highlights for every game on "Inside the NFL" anymore so you can devote more time to features about random people we don't care about, including this week's piece on an NFL photographer who was inexplicably dressed like Freddie Krueger? Why tinker with a show that everyone universally loved? I don't get it.
It's like they are programming the show for people that don't like football...insane....:icon_huh:
 

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Especially this:
Random note to HBO: It's bad enough that ESPN can't show "Prime Time" anymore and Time Warner just dumped can't come to terms with the NFL Network. Now you're not showing highlights for every game on "Inside the NFL" anymore so you can devote more time to features about random people we don't care about, including this week's piece on an NFL photographer who was inexplicably dressed like Freddie Krueger? Why tinker with a show that everyone universally loved? I don't get it.
:icon_evil: Political correctness running wild and catering to the 1% of the population in the USA which happen not to like the NFL.:icon_evil:
 

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It's because they have an injured QB who cannot move up into the pocket and cannot throw on the run anymore...:lol:
That's why they can't run the ball?
 

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Wasnt everyone last year saying that it was the loss of Hudson that kilt us?
I know I said it. Miami is teh suxxor this year:mellow:
 

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I agree that Hardwick does have some problems with big DT's, and can get pushed around some. However, IMO - he makes up for that with good pass protection and VERY good athleticism getting downfield to finish blocks.

Olivea and Dielman are exceptional at getting downfield and finishing blocks.

Dielman MUST be a priority for an extension.

You are right in that we are looking at 4/5ths of our OL of the future. Get Dielman signed longterm, then add a first day OG next draft and it's a done deal.
When Olivea hangs his ass by his arms so they grow another 4 feet, then he will he be ready for a tackle in the midget league but in the NFL?

Otherwise, it is almost as embarassing as watching Goff and then Hardwick.

Someone else said it better: "Give me a mother fugger like McNeil at the Right Tackle spot and then homie is happy otherwise we are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit" or maybe I just said that but anyway you get my drift. :bolt:
 
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When Olivea hangs his ass by his arms so they grow another 4 feet, then he will he be ready for a tackle in the midget league but in the NFL?

Otherwise, it is almost as embarassing as watching Goff and then Hardwick.

Someone else said it better: "Give me a mother fugger like McNeil at the Right Tackle spot and then homie is happy otherwise we are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit" or maybe I just said that but anyway you get my drift. :bolt:
Henry must be a genius, then, because that chicken shiit has given up 0 sacks, is rushing for 5.1 YPC, and dominated a very good defensive line last Sunday. Hainsworth, Vanden Bosch, and Bullock are no slouches, and our offense had its way with the Titans' front-seven. I can't entirely chalk that up to PR's godlike abilities or LT's individual skill. We ran effectively and PR had ample time to throw...

We're averaging 5.1 YPC and mostly against seven and eight man fronts geared up to stop LT. And that's with a rookie OLT and a group that is playing for a new line coach. That means they're only gonna get better. I don't think there's any lack of talent there. The only guy I see who is average is Goff, and at least he provides leadership for the group. I think he's definitely replaceable, but I'm more than happy with the other four guys thusfar.