Blue Collar Man’s Football League

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We all know the prices of attending NFL games is on the rise. Game tickets, parking, drinks, food… It all adds up quickly. A family of four can make a large investment just to go experience a live NFL game. NFL ticket prices have risen steadily year by year. In 2006, the average cost of an NFL ticket was $62 a game. Today the average is over $100 a ticket. That does not include parking, hotdog or soda.

Fans in Southern California has seen parking prices rise, with parking for a Chargers game at the StubHub soccer arena costing $100 a space. Across town at the LA Rams, parking is listed as $50, $80 and $100 according to USA Today.

In 2016 to see a Bears game you would pay $108 a ticket, and at least $49 for parking. Patriots fans paid $122 a ticket. Giants fans, in the big apple? They would shell out $123 for regular tickets and $510 for premium ticket… Cowboys fans in Jerry World paid an average of $110 for regular tickets and $347 for premium tickets. 49’er fans paid $117 a ticket, and $10 a beer.

One could argue that the common man, especially if they want to take the average family of four to the game is almost priced out of the NFL ‘live’ experience. No longer is the working-class man the type fan the NFL caters to. They want more luxury suits, more big paying clients… More money.

One can’t blame them, the NFL profits from this mentality and so do the players. Player salaries are bigger than ever as well. The more green a player makes, the more green we will have to pay to go see them play live.

The good news is there is a new league in town… Well 8 towns (Atlanta, Birmingham, Orlando, Memphis, Arizona (Tempe), San Antonio and San Diego). The Alliance of American Football begins play in February. As a fan I have had the privilege of attending NFL training camps as press, attending press events, and even being a sideline photographer for the day. But I was always ‘at arms length’ with the team I followed. That is not the case with the new team in town.

The San Diego Fleet has been open, and accommodating. They understand they are starting a grass roots movement to build a fan base. They have set up the means for media/fan writers to have access to players. They have engaged fans to help teach them what a real fan experience is desired to be. They want to build something you will enjoy and a team you can root for. What is not to like in that?

The price of the tickets to a game is also very ‘blue collar man’ affordable. For example, season tickets for the San Diego Fleet start at $75. That gets the working-class man into 5 competitive live, professional football games. I don’t know how far back we would have to go in the history of the NFL to find similar prices.

Is it going to be the type of game? Yes and no. The AAF will have teams and the rules are set up so that the games are played with less interruptions. One can’t argue that the athletes who play for the AAF will be of the same caliber as the ones who play for the NFL. But the league is not trying to compete with the NFL. They are looking to create a fan experience, a game that the every day family can enjoy. Will the games be competitive? I sure hope so, but I have fallen asleep watching some NFL games, I am sure that the competition will be week to week.

Is the league going to be around a while, or pull a Vince McMahon? The league is set up with and initial funding for five years. So hopefully that means you and I have an opportunity to see something grow and blossom. Something our fathers and grandfathers had a chance to see back in the day when the AFL started playing.

We get to see a new league play, and they have considered the blue-collar man and made it affordable for us to see the game.

I plan on being at the first game when the San Diego Fleet play, and I hope I am watching history in the making as a new league is born. I also hope they always think of us working class people, and keep the games affordable for the average American family.

Who is going to join me?


Helpful Links:

AAF webpage: www.aaf.com

Atlanta Legends webpage: https://aaf.com/atlanta-legends/

Atlanta Legends ticket info: https://aaf.com/atlanta-legends/tickets/

Birmingham Iron webpage: https://aaf.com/birmingham-iron/

Birmingham Iron ticket info: https://aaf.com/birmingham-iron/tickets/

Orlando Apollos webpage: https://aaf.com/orlando-apollos/

Orlando Apollos ticket info: https://aaf.com/orlando-apollos/tickets/

Memphis Express webpage: https://aaf.com/memphis-express/

Memphis Express ticket info: https://aaf.com/memphis-express/tickets/

Arizona Hotshots webpage: https://aaf.com/arizona-hotshots/

Arizona Hotshots ticket info: https://aaf.com/arizona-hotshots/tickets/

Salt Lake Stallions webpage: https://aaf.com/salt-lake-stallions/

Salt Lake Stallions ticket info: https://aaf.com/salt-lake-stallions/tickets/

San Antonio Commanders webpage: https://aaf.com/san-antonio-commanders/

San Antonio Commanders ticket info: https://aaf.com/san-antonio-commanders/tickets/

San Diego Fleet webpage: https://aaf.com/san-diego-fleet/

San Diego Fleet ticket info: https://aaf.com/san-diego-fleet/tickets/
 

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I'll have to root primarily from afar, but I will most definitely try to make a game or two whenever I go to Costa Mesa (ironic, ain't it?) on business.

I hope this works out, the NFL needs to be knocked down a few pegs.
 

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They say the league won't compete with the NFL. Well, the NFL doesn't compete with the NFL. Do you wanna see five games between two competitive teams or five games between the Lions, Raiders, 49ers, Bucs, Jags, and Jets?

I've got some nice seats (for once in my life), hopefully I can get to a restroom without asking permission from Dr. Death of the Raiders, and drinks or snacks won't need collateral to purchase.

Go FLEET!
 
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I'm gonna try to make it down from OC to support em. Maybe get my brother involved too. On 1090 they were bantering around the options of 1) going all in and supporting and showing that SD is a football town by outdrawing the chargers in Carson 2) ignoring it because it's minor league. I'd say 95% were on board with supporting this new venture and folks are excited.

Not sure how much I can attend......but gotta try just to show support.

Scott Kaplan made a great point......there is still the Q we all know and the main thing is the tailgate experience is still there and that is something a lot of venues do not compare with. For example any downtown venue that would have been considered would have had no similar laid back parking/tailgating experience. That's most of the fun, no?

Not sure how all this ends up playing out but just to show SD will support a minor league team more than LA will support the chargers would be well worth the effort and experience and community spirit. EFF DEAN and EFF the NFL.

The other thing Scott has been throwing around the last couple of days is a discussion with Ernie Hahn about what would become of the Aztec Stadium if it could be expandable to 60K.....could someone like a John Moores be coaxed to form a group to purchase back the bolts and then sell half the team to the citizens of SD. Obviously a major pipe dream because the Evil Dean Spanos is so antiSD he would never sell the team particularly to anyone who would move the team back where it belongs.

I think SD is better off without the greedy NFL anyways...that league has transformed into a corporate nightmare where only rich folk can attend games and the common man is being priced out. Unless they can figure out a way to build a stadium on an owner's dime and the city gets a share of the team, and the prices are kept reasonable for those fans who want to attend live games and buy season tickets, EFF the NFL. Let em have their greedfest. Sad we don't have the old days of Coryell and Gillman the the pre-Spanos years when there was great community spirit this time of year in watching our team go to the playoffs, and in all that fun tailgaiting excitment, but that's the way it goes when a guy like Klein makes the mistake of selling to an out of towner who has zero loyalty to SD and a family that is motivated soley by $. I knew the day I saw who bought the team that one day something very bad could transpire for this great city and it's beloved team. Sure enough, first impressions and intuition are often spot on.
 

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I can’t see myself making the drive for a team I’m not really into but I’ll be jealous of the tailgates. Enjoy it!
 

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I can’t see myself making the drive for a team I’m not really into but I’ll be jealous of the tailgates. Enjoy it!
yeah I think it would have been a huge mistake to try to get the convadium thing downtown, although I guess some would argue better there than nothing at all. But tailgating is a huge part of the experience by history in SD and in particular in Mission Valley......great place to take it all in and spend a day of it. For me personally the golden years for that were the Coryell years......and Bobby Ross after that. The parking lot became more crowded as time went on, more restrictions on space ....maybe with the Fleet there will be more open space now for tailgating and the good times will roll! Eh, maybe you should just at least go on down just to check out one game at least for the hell of it.
 
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I see a league and a team that WANTS to be a part of San Diego. Still not sure if I can do the season tickets (busy time of the year for Rob), but I plan on being involved!
Hey Lizard! Cool Man! I work at the Fleet! Call me at (619) 785-3550 and I"ll go over ticket options.
David
 
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I'm gonna try to make it down from OC to support em. Maybe get my brother involved too. On 1090 they were bantering around the options of 1) going all in and supporting and showing that SD is a football town by outdrawing the chargers in Carson 2) ignoring it because it's minor league. I'd say 95% were on board with supporting this new venture and folks are excited.

Not sure how much I can attend......but gotta try just to show support.

Scott Kaplan made a great point......there is still the Q we all know and the main thing is the tailgate experience is still there and that is something a lot of venues do not compare with. For example any downtown venue that would have been considered would have had no similar laid back parking/tailgating experience. That's most of the fun, no?

Not sure how all this ends up playing out but just to show SD will support a minor league team more than LA will support the chargers would be well worth the effort and experience and community spirit. EFF DEAN and EFF the NFL.

The other thing Scott has been throwing around the last couple of days is a discussion with Ernie Hahn about what would become of the Aztec Stadium if it could be expandable to 60K.....could someone like a John Moores be coaxed to form a group to purchase back the bolts and then sell half the team to the citizens of SD. Obviously a major pipe dream because the Evil Dean Spanos is so antiSD he would never sell the team particularly to anyone who would move the team back where it belongs.

I think SD is better off without the greedy NFL anyways...that league has transformed into a corporate nightmare where only rich folk can attend games and the common man is being priced out. Unless they can figure out a way to build a stadium on an owner's dime and the city gets a share of the team, and the prices are kept reasonable for those fans who want to attend live games and buy season tickets, EFF the NFL. Let em have their greedfest. Sad we don't have the old days of Coryell and Gillman the the pre-Spanos years when there was great community spirit this time of year in watching our team go to the playoffs, and in all that fun tailgaiting excitment, but that's the way it goes when a guy like Klein makes the mistake of selling to an out of towner who has zero loyalty to SD and a family that is motivated soley by $. I knew the day I saw who bought the team that one day something very bad could transpire for this great city and it's beloved team. Sure enough, first impressions and intuition are often spot on.
Hey Gill Man, Season Tickets (5 home games) start at $75 so call me at (619) 785-3550 and we'll go over prices.
Thanks! David
 

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We all know the prices of attending NFL games is on the rise. Game tickets, parking, drinks, food… It all adds up quickly. A family of four can make a large investment just to go experience a live NFL game. NFL ticket prices have risen steadily year by year. In 2006, the average cost of an NFL ticket was $62 a game. Today the average is over $100 a ticket. That does not include parking, hotdog or soda.

Fans in Southern California has seen parking prices rise, with parking for a Chargers game at the StubHub soccer arena costing $100 a space. Across town at the LA Rams, parking is listed as $50, $80 and $100 according to USA Today.

In 2016 to see a Bears game you would pay $108 a ticket, and at least $49 for parking. Patriots fans paid $122 a ticket. Giants fans, in the big apple? They would shell out $123 for regular tickets and $510 for premium ticket… Cowboys fans in Jerry World paid an average of $110 for regular tickets and $347 for premium tickets. 49’er fans paid $117 a ticket, and $10 a beer.

One could argue that the common man, especially if they want to take the average family of four to the game is almost priced out of the NFL ‘live’ experience. No longer is the working-class man the type fan the NFL caters to. They want more luxury suits, more big paying clients… More money.

One can’t blame them, the NFL profits from this mentality and so do the players. Player salaries are bigger than ever as well. The more green a player makes, the more green we will have to pay to go see them play live.

The good news is there is a new league in town… Well 8 towns (Atlanta, Birmingham, Orlando, Memphis, Arizona (Tempe), San Antonio and San Diego). The Alliance of American Football begins play in February. As a fan I have had the privilege of attending NFL training camps as press, attending press events, and even being a sideline photographer for the day. But I was always ‘at arms length’ with the team I followed. That is not the case with the new team in town.

The San Diego Fleet has been open, and accommodating. They understand they are starting a grass roots movement to build a fan base. They have set up the means for media/fan writers to have access to players. They have engaged fans to help teach them what a real fan experience is desired to be. They want to build something you will enjoy and a team you can root for. What is not to like in that?

The price of the tickets to a game is also very ‘blue collar man’ affordable. For example, season tickets for the San Diego Fleet start at $75. That gets the working-class man into 5 competitive live, professional football games. I don’t know how far back we would have to go in the history of the NFL to find similar prices.

Is it going to be the type of game? Yes and no. The AAF will have teams and the rules are set up so that the games are played with less interruptions. One can’t argue that the athletes who play for the AAF will be of the same caliber as the ones who play for the NFL. But the league is not trying to compete with the NFL. They are looking to create a fan experience, a game that the every day family can enjoy. Will the games be competitive? I sure hope so, but I have fallen asleep watching some NFL games, I am sure that the competition will be week to week.

Is the league going to be around a while, or pull a Vince McMahon? The league is set up with and initial funding for five years. So hopefully that means you and I have an opportunity to see something grow and blossom. Something our fathers and grandfathers had a chance to see back in the day when the AFL started playing.

We get to see a new league play, and they have considered the blue-collar man and made it affordable for us to see the game.

I plan on being at the first game when the San Diego Fleet play, and I hope I am watching history in the making as a new league is born. I also hope they always think of us working class people, and keep the games affordable for the average American family.

Who is going to join me?


Helpful Links:

AAF webpage: www.aaf.com

Atlanta Legends webpage: https://aaf.com/atlanta-legends/

Atlanta Legends ticket info: https://aaf.com/atlanta-legends/tickets/

Birmingham Iron webpage: https://aaf.com/birmingham-iron/

Birmingham Iron ticket info: https://aaf.com/birmingham-iron/tickets/

Orlando Apollos webpage: https://aaf.com/orlando-apollos/

Orlando Apollos ticket info: https://aaf.com/orlando-apollos/tickets/

Memphis Express webpage: https://aaf.com/memphis-express/

Memphis Express ticket info: https://aaf.com/memphis-express/tickets/

Arizona Hotshots webpage: https://aaf.com/arizona-hotshots/

Arizona Hotshots ticket info: https://aaf.com/arizona-hotshots/tickets/

Salt Lake Stallions webpage: https://aaf.com/salt-lake-stallions/

Salt Lake Stallions ticket info: https://aaf.com/salt-lake-stallions/tickets/

San Antonio Commanders webpage: https://aaf.com/san-antonio-commanders/

San Antonio Commanders ticket info: https://aaf.com/san-antonio-commanders/tickets/

San Diego Fleet webpage: https://aaf.com/san-diego-fleet/

San Diego Fleet ticket info: https://aaf.com/san-diego-fleet/tickets/

Thanks Concudan! It's going to be a blast! If anyone needs ticket info call me at (619) 785-3550 and we'll go over prices.
Thanks!
David
 

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Hey Gill Man, Season Tickets (5 home games) start at $75 so call me at (619) 785-3550 and we'll go over prices.
Thanks! David

You know, at one time SDRay told me I should not give out your cell number.
But he also later told me, that was SD Raider talking. So, we're good.
I hope.:cool:
 

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Hey Gill Man, Season Tickets (5 home games) start at $75 so call me at (619) 785-3550 and we'll go over prices.
Thanks! David
Thanks for the info David, and thanks for joining our forum! Good to have you on board. I realize the league is a 'complimentary' league to the NFL as advertised but my greatest wish is it at some point be a competitor league just as the old AFL was. San Diego's roots are in that and obviously we supported the chargers as a 'alternative league team' all thru that incredible history under Baron Hilton/Sid Gillman, then merging into the NFL, until they were taken away by a greedy owner with zero scruples and zero deference to the many years of interaction between the franchise and the city before he was even born. Gene Klein's biggest blunder was not in unloading probowl talent just at the point where he was on the verge of a Lombardi, it was in selling to the Spanos family who had no loyalty or ties to San Diego to begin with. Huge mistake. San Diego needs a team that won't bail ......I"d like the AAF to become like the old AFL with individual owners and who won't be afraid to challenge the NFL head on. Will be pulling for you guys to make a big splash and in fact to embarrass the Spanos family by outdrawing them.
 

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Gilly.....don't tell David, but I never paid my PSL. Yep, I talked fast and got two season tickets easy.
Sure, I had to pay for Stair Usage (SU), but then everyone I think has to do that.
 
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Hope this works out for San Diego football fans. I’m old enough to remember how the AFL was and got short shrift from the NFL all the way until Joe Namath delivered a super bowl title. Hope this new league is fun to watch and gains traction. The NFL doesn’t give a shit about football fans
 
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Hope this works out for San Diego football fans. I’m old enough to remember how the AFL was and got short shrift from the NFL all the way until Joe Namath delivered a super bowl title. Hope this new league is fun to watch and gains traction. The NFL doesn’t give a **** about football fans
The AAF (At Least the Fleet) as been going about things the right way. Reaching out to fans for input so that we can establish new traditions with the team. Also they've embraced fan groups such as us and the 2 Fleet Podcasts, allowing access to players and their office.

When did the BoltTalk Podcast and Forum all we got from the Spanos Clan was mostly crap. Never allowing us to schedule Podcast interviews and accusing us of taking fans away from their forums. It's was the same damn team we were promoting and for free! Anyways, I really hope this league succeeds. Hell our new Indoor Football team the Strike Force is part of a league that been around for over a decade so this one has a chance to do the same.
 
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I'm gonna try to make it down from OC to support em. Maybe get my brother involved too. On 1090 they were bantering around the options of 1) going all in and supporting and showing that SD is a football town by outdrawing the chargers in Carson 2) ignoring it because it's minor league. I'd say 95% were on board with supporting this new venture and folks are excited.

Not sure how much I can attend......but gotta try just to show support.

Scott Kaplan made a great point......there is still the Q we all know and the main thing is the tailgate experience is still there and that is something a lot of venues do not compare with. For example any downtown venue that would have been considered would have had no similar laid back parking/tailgating experience. That's most of the fun, no?

Not sure how all this ends up playing out but just to show SD will support a minor league team more than LA will support the chargers would be well worth the effort and experience and community spirit. EFF DEAN and EFF the NFL.

The other thing Scott has been throwing around the last couple of days is a discussion with Ernie Hahn about what would become of the Aztec Stadium if it could be expandable to 60K.....could someone like a John Moores be coaxed to form a group to purchase back the bolts and then sell half the team to the citizens of SD. Obviously a major pipe dream because the Evil Dean Spanos is so antiSD he would never sell the team particularly to anyone who would move the team back where it belongs.

I think SD is better off without the greedy NFL anyways...that league has transformed into a corporate nightmare where only rich folk can attend games and the common man is being priced out. Unless they can figure out a way to build a stadium on an owner's dime and the city gets a share of the team, and the prices are kept reasonable for those fans who want to attend live games and buy season tickets, EFF the NFL. Let em have their greedfest. Sad we don't have the old days of Coryell and Gillman the the pre-Spanos years when there was great community spirit this time of year in watching our team go to the playoffs, and in all that fun tailgaiting excitment, but that's the way it goes when a guy like Klein makes the mistake of selling to an out of towner who has zero loyalty to SD and a family that is motivated soley by $. I knew the day I saw who bought the team that one day something very bad could transpire for this great city and it's beloved team. Sure enough, first impressions and intuition are often spot on.
First, in all seriousness, I hope all of you guys have a great time while supporting the Fleet and the new league.

As far as comparisons between Fleet support in San Diego and Chargers support in Los Angeles, though, I think your approach appears not to consider some pretty basic factors. Right away, I am wanting to know if you are talking about more behinds in seats or more total ticket dollars? If it is more total ticket dollars, then the low cost of Fleet seats may make that a difficult proposition.

If you mean more behinds in seats, I will return to points I have made many times when the discussion is about how many the Chargers draw in Los Angeles. The Chargers only have 27,000 or so seats to sell, so they will price the tickets as high as they possibly can while still selling all of the seats. The pricing and size of the stadium alter the attendance and render any number comparison meaningless.

Simply put, if you were price the tickets the same and make the stadiums the same size, the Chargers would draw more in Los Angeles than the Fleet would in San Diego and would do so by a considerable margin as the NFL is the "major league" product and the AAF is the "minor league" league product. To me, that would clearly hold true for most people--they would choose to see the better players for the same money. That said, there are some people that really like the atmosphere of minor league sports, though I believe that that number is definitely a minority (sorry, I couldn't resist).
 

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If you mean more behinds in seats, I will return to points I have made many times when the discussion is about how many the Chargers draw in Los Angeles. The Chargers only have 27,000 or so seats to sell, so they will price the tickets as high as they possibly can while still selling all of the seats. The pricing and size of the stadium alter the attendance and render any number comparison meaningless.
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If they have sold all their (high priced because, gosh we have to) tickets and there is a limited amount of these seats in very large fan population, why are the vast majority of attendees non Charger fans?

Because no one cares about them. It's a simple concept. Chargers have no fan base because fans, in Los Angeles or San Diego, don't care for the Spanni circus. Visiting teams' fans can afford the tickets......no doubt LA fans could afford the 'high priced small venue experience. ' But they don't. Because they have no interest in the San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles, or whatever they are calling themselves. Chargers could have spend three years in the Rose Bowl, allowing their multitude of fans to enjoy the new 'fan experience'. But they did not. Because they're cheap and because for once they guessed right, that they would be lucky to sell even 26,000 tickets. (Most games don't reach capacity). The Chargers attendance exists now and will in the new stadium with its pocket of 26,000 lower priced ticket broker seats, off the visiting team's fans. It ain't getting better.
Rams dominate. Raiders ain't never. And you can't sell the premier SSL seats to non existent rich Charger fans.
Start small, anything over 30,000 in the new digs is a real improvement. Kroenke must be overjoyed by the Deano
Dance.
 
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It's much more embarassing playing in a high school size stadium aka soccer pitch. One you can't even fill with your own fans even after discounting tickets.

LMAO. Perfect. BTW that Fleet helmet puts the bolt helmet to shame. Major props to the designer of the Fleet helmet and colors and uniform. Proud to be a fan of that team. FUDEAN U POS.