2023 Padre Season: Don’t Screw it JR., Land of the Rising Or Setting Soto? Good luck in CIN WIL!!! LFGSD!!!!!

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I never understood why these things are brought to light months or even years later. Make me suspicious of anything anyone says.
There's a million different reasons why it happens. It doesn't make it any less likely to be true.
 

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Season ticket sales will be capped.

This is something that Dean refused to do and stil does. Spend money and actually engage with the fans to build a relationship.

The padres might have sell outs every game this year. Just wow.
 

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This is something that Dean refused to do and stil does. Spend money and actually engage with the fans to build a relationship.

The padres might have sell outs every game this year. Just wow.
180 degree opposites. One guy a dick, the other a nice guy. KInd of proves SD is a great sports city and will support an owner who is not a dick.
 

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Seidler needs to reciprocate and do whatever it takes monetarily and otherwise to put a WS team on the field...one that will WIN the WS not just almost get there. So more to be done.
Nelson Cruz??? zzzzz.....I guess depth/bench/veteran presence material but that's about it. Get another bigtime pitcher...it's crucial for this season IMO. How he does that I dont' know. Ohtani is gonna wait to do anything til free agency then you have multiple teams competing and he will get incredible money. Not sure where that bigtime arm comes from at the tradedeadline but my guess is that is our only real option right now. Nothing really coming up from the farm I can tell or have heard of. Where is profar at????? What's going on there. They should resign the guy.
 
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Seidler needs to reciprocate and do whatever it takes monetarily and otherwise to put a WS team on the field...one that will WIN the WS not just almost get there. So more to be done.
Nelson Cruz??? zzzzz.....I guess depth/bench/veteran presence material but that's about it. Get another bigtime pitcher...it's crucial for this season IMO. How he does that I dont' know. Ohtani is gonna wait to do anything til free agency then you have multiple teams competing and he will get incredible money. Not sure where that bigtime arm comes from at the tradedeadline but my guess is that is our only real option right now. Nothing really coming up from the farm I can tell or have heard of. Where is profar at????? What's going on there. They should resign the guy.
Profar was supposed to get $8M/year if he didn't opt out and supposedly is now looking for $15M/year. The problem is that if he came back, he'd be a reserve so $15M definitely isn't happening and I think $8M is even pushing it.

I think no team sees him being worth that much and that's why he's still a free agent.
 

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Profar was supposed to get $8M/year if he didn't opt out and supposedly is now looking for $15M/year. The problem is that if he came back, he'd be a reserve so $15M definitely isn't happening and I think $8M is even pushing it.

I think no team sees him being worth that much and that's why he's still a free agent.
Besides that, the roster’s already full. They’d have to send Azochar down and I don’t think that’s happening.
 
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I knew profar was going to overvalue himself by opting out. He should fire his agent.

He will be lucky to get 1 year deal close to 8 mil.

His numbers are not that good.
 
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Seidler needs to reciprocate and do whatever it takes monetarily and otherwise to put a WS team on the field...one that will WIN the WS not just almost get there. So more to be done.
Nelson Cruz??? zzzzz.....I guess depth/bench/veteran presence material but that's about it. Get another bigtime pitcher...it's crucial for this season IMO. How he does that I dont' know. Ohtani is gonna wait to do anything til free agency then you have multiple teams competing and he will get incredible money. Not sure where that bigtime arm comes from at the tradedeadline but my guess is that is our only real option right now. Nothing really coming up from the farm I can tell or have heard of. Where is profar at????? What's going on there. They should resign the guy.
The good thing about Cruz is that he's on a minimum salary so if he stinks, they can easily release him.

I'm with you though. Cruz, Carpenter, Lugo and these other guys they've singed this year are very unexciting. I'm not even a huge Xander fan so while I realize he's a good player, that signing didn't excite me. I wish Preller would have gone after a starting pitcher instead.
 

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The good thing about Cruz is that he's on a minimum salary so if he stinks, they can easily release him.

I'm with you though. Cruz, Carpenter, Lugo and these other guys they've singed this year are very unexciting. I'm not even a huge Xander fan so while I realize he's a good player, that signing didn't excite me. I wish Preller would have gone after a starting pitcher instead.
agree......the bias towards bringing in allegedly better bats is not gonna win the trophy , rather top elite pitching will. We have too many questoin mark pitchers and poor depth in the starting rotation to win a trophy. unless niebla works some miracles with those guys we are short world series quality pitchers. We got rid of Manaea and Cleve which is good....but Loogie, Ayatollah, and a born reliever Martinez are not the answer I'm afraid. Bauer is there on the cheap but with huge baggage. I'd do that first then at first opportunity get a huge arm at the trade deadline.....but we are now plumb out of prospects to trade is the problem. And this is where preller's strategy of going after verterans mid season with huge trades in order to 'win it now' is going to fail. Unless they get the farm back to where it should be pronto I can't see us competing for top notch pitchers at the trade deadline. Best option unfortunately is Bauer since they failed to sign a free agent big arm like Rodon etc.....they had the chance but didn't want to spend. And even IF they'd gone after one of those big arms they STILL would be best served to go ahead and take the risk on Bauer if they plan to win it THIS year. Great pitching almost always beats great bats....baseball 101. Fully concur with you on that one.

I love X but the problem is that could have been used to bolster the pitching rotation and we essentially were already seeing a traffic jam at the infield. Allegedly their first choice was Aaron Judge but there really was no chance for that. Then they kept looking at SS....and wanted Trea Turner badly.

Somehow I think Kim is going to be dealt for a big arm, along with maybe a couple of other borderline vets like the ones we recently signed and empty the cupboard of remaining prospects....(gulp).......never should have let the farm to this point. And trading Kim and vets for a top flight pitcher is once again going to be a chemistry-altering trade mid season.....big splash mid season is Preller's specialty apparently. So far it has not won a trophy. All that should be taken care of in the offseason before camp so whatever few big arms were available , we should have spent to acquire them NOW.
 

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agree......the bias towards bringing in allegedly better bats is not gonna win the trophy , rather top elite pitching will. We have too many questoin mark pitchers and poor depth in the starting rotation to win a trophy. unless niebla works some miracles with those guys we are short world series quality pitchers. We got rid of Manaea and Cleve which is good....but Loogie, Ayatollah, and a born reliever Martinez are not the answer I'm afraid. Bauer is there on the cheap but with huge baggage. I'd do that first then at first opportunity get a huge arm at the trade deadline.....but we are now plumb out of prospects to trade is the problem. And this is where preller's strategy of going after verterans mid season with huge trades in order to 'win it now' is going to fail. Unless they get the farm back to where it should be pronto I can't see us competing for top notch pitchers at the trade deadline. Best option unfortunately is Bauer since they failed to sign a free agent big arm like Rodon etc.....they had the chance but didn't want to spend. And even IF they'd gone after one of those big arms they STILL would be best served to go ahead and take the risk on Bauer if they plan to win it THIS year. Great pitching almost always beats great bats....baseball 101. Fully concur with you on that one.

I love X but the problem is that could have been used to bolster the pitching rotation and we essentially were already seeing a traffic jam at the infield. Allegedly their first choice was Aaron Judge but there really was no chance for that. Then they kept looking at SS....and wanted Trea Turner badly.

Somehow I think Kim is going to be dealt for a big arm, along with maybe a couple of other borderline vets like the ones we recently signed and empty the cupboard of remaining prospects....(gulp).......never should have let the farm to this point. And trading Kim and vets for a top flight pitcher is once again going to be a chemistry-altering trade mid season.....big splash mid season is Preller's specialty apparently. So far it has not won a trophy. All that should be taken care of in the offseason before camp so whatever few big arms were available , we should have spent to acquire them NOW.
i get your concern but the contracts degrom and the rest got were out of our range and not worth it.

I have a feeling the arm you are referring to is ohtani.

Side note:

Fans in Boston are absolutely bat shit pissed that they let xander go.
 

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i get your concern but the contracts degrom and the rest got were out of our range and not worth it.

I have a feeling the arm you are referring to is ohtani.

Side note:

Fans in Boston are absolutely bat shit pissed that they let xander go.
Why were they out of our range?

I thought Seidler wanted to outspend the Mets? If they can shell out $300M to Xander, why couldn't they shell out far less to Rodon or Senga? Or deGrom, etc? He made some trades to get Darvish, Snell, Clev and Musgrove on the cheap. It's pretty clear that Preller doesn't value pitching as much as he does bats.

Maybe Ohtani is a different animal since he does both lol. I keep hearing references that Ohtani is Preller's white whale. He really wanted Ohtani bad back in 2017.
 
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Gilly...
k Kim is going to be dealt for a big arm, along with maybe a couple of other borderline vets like the ones we recently signed and empty the cupboard of remaining prospects....(gulp).......never should have let the farm to this point. And trading Kim and vets for a top flight pitcher is once again going to be a chemistry-altering trade mid season.....big splash mid season is Preller's specialty apparently. So far it has not won a trophy. All that should be taken care of in the offseason before camp so whatever few big arms were available , we should have spent to acquire them NOW.
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Disagree. You wait till you're in training camp. Does pitcher A look recovered?
Is rookie or veteran invite looking great?
Is player L's soreness serious or wait on it?
I think the relievers will be pretty fixed, other than Martinez and Lugo getting starts to how that goes. I think they might slot Morejon or Weathers into 4th starter to see if either has enough to make it work. Might get a third catcher. Will Mannny's situation be resolved before end of training camp?
Does Team Z wanna get rid of pitcher Jose? Is Kim tradable for value?
 

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i get your concern but the contracts degrom and the rest got were out of our range and not worth it.

I have a feeling the arm you are referring to is ohtani.

Side note:

Fans in Boston are absolutely bat shit pissed that they let xander go.
Well Ohtani is definitey someone we should target but he doesn't hit free agency til 2024 so he's out for this year unless something really weird happens. Does he have a no trade? I mean he'd probably welcome a trade to SD but we are best served to pay him in FA instead of decimating the team for the guy. Just a shame we couldn't land him way earlier because he's 2 great players in one and now will command the salary of 2 superstars. But adding that guy to what we have? Would pretty much guarantee us a trophy this year.....just not in the cards I can see anyway.
 

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Gilly...
k Kim is going to be dealt for a big arm, along with maybe a couple of other borderline vets like the ones we recently signed and empty the cupboard of remaining prospects....(gulp).......never should have let the farm to this point. And trading Kim and vets for a top flight pitcher is once again going to be a chemistry-altering trade mid season.....big splash mid season is Preller's specialty apparently. So far it has not won a trophy. All that should be taken care of in the offseason before camp so whatever few big arms were available , we should have spent to acquire them NOW.
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Disagree. You wait till you're in training camp. Does pitcher A look recovered?
Is rookie or veteran invite looking great?
Is player L's soreness serious or wait on it?
I think the relievers will be pretty fixed, other than Martinez and Lugo getting starts to how that goes. I think they might slot Morejon or Weathers into 4th starter to see if either has enough to make it work. Might get a third catcher. Will Mannny's situation be resolved before end of training camp?
Does Team Z wanna get rid of pitcher Jose? Is Kim tradable for value?
IN camp or before is better than mid season. I was referring to MID SEASON. Yes if they can resolve it in TC great but what if all your IF's don't pan out? (highly likely). Then what? All I can say is this team with this pitching staff based on history of those acquired thus far is not going to win a trophy due to the pitching getting killed by teams like Philly. We do have better offense hopefully to counter some of that but I always prefer to have the team with the best pitching going into the playoffs. They usually win. Like Houston this year. Philly came close to overcoming that but those HOU pitchers eventually overwhelmed their hitters. THAT is the kind of team I'd like....THAT kind of pitching roster. Deep and damn good.
 
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Gilly...
k Kim is going to be dealt for a big arm, along with maybe a couple of other borderline vets like the ones we recently signed and empty the cupboard of remaining prospects....(gulp).......never should have let the farm to this point. And trading Kim and vets for a top flight pitcher is once again going to be a chemistry-altering trade mid season.....big splash mid season is Preller's specialty apparently. So far it has not won a trophy. All that should be taken care of in the offseason before camp so whatever few big arms were available , we should have spent to acquire them NOW.
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Disagree. You wait till you're in training camp. Does pitcher A look recovered?
Is rookie or veteran invite looking great?
Is player L's soreness serious or wait on it?
I think the relievers will be pretty fixed, other than Martinez and Lugo getting starts to how that goes. I think they might slot Morejon or Weathers into 4th starter to see if either has enough to make it work. Might get a third catcher. Will Mannny's situation be resolved before end of training camp?
Does Team Z wanna get rid of pitcher Jose? Is Kim tradable for value?
If they trade Kim, Jake has to move back to 2B then you need to sign a first baseman and there's no one on the market. If Tatis moves to the infield, then you have a hole in the outfield and you have to go sign Profar. And who fills the missing spot until Tatis returns? And what if Tatis's return doesn't go well, then you're really screwed because you don't have Kim to fill in. Either way, you weaken your team.

IMO they should have went harder after a starter and resigned Profar and pass on Xander. The pitching and defense would be much stronger that way.

We'll see what is up Preller's sleeve leading up to opening day.
 

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Jackson Merrill is the Padres bargaining chip in the minors. Right now he’s their top prospect, he’s a SS and is estimated to hit the majors in 2024. There’s no room for him with X, Jr and Kim all on the roster. They’re not going to be able to trade for a top guy like Ohtani but maybe a serviceable innings eater, someone Aquashit was supposed to be before he decided to become a lazy bum.
 
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Why were they out of our range?

I thought Seidler wanted to outspend the Mets? If they can shell out $300M to Xander, why couldn't they shell out far less to Rodon or Senga? Or deGrom, etc? He made some trades to get Darvish, Snell, Clev and Musgrove on the cheap. It's pretty clear that Preller doesn't value pitching as much as he does bats.

Maybe Ohtani is a different animal since he does both lol. I keep hearing references that Ohtani is Preller's white whale. He really wanted Ohtani bad back in 2017.

Why were they out of our range?

I thought Seidler wanted to outspend the Mets? If they can shell out $300M to Xander, why couldn't they shell out far less to Rodon or Senga? Or deGrom, etc? He made some trades to get Darvish, Snell, Clev and Musgrove on the cheap. It's pretty clear that Preller doesn't value pitching as much as he does bats.

Maybe Ohtani is a different animal since he does both lol. I keep hearing references that Ohtani is Preller's white whale. He really wanted Ohtani bad back in 2017.
 

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the top 3 dudes I don’t trust. After that there is a tremendous drop off. Seriously, aqua and clevinger got 12 million. Stupid contracts.
But that's the market. You either pay or don't. And this is not just a 2023 offseason issue. Preller has been spending on bats and going cheap on pitching his entire time. I don't agree with that strategy at all. Look how bad our offense was for the majority of last year and how our pitching bit us in the ass against the Phillies. We could have gotten that kind of offensive production by spending far less.

It's put up or shut up for these guys this season. Tatis, Manny, Xander and Soto batting 1-4 so there's no excuses now. If they struggle again then what? Go spend another $300M for another superstar bat? Where does it end? When do we finally start investing in some pitchers to help out Darvish and Musgrove?
 

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But that's the market. You either pay or don't. And this is not just a 2023 offseason issue. Preller has been spending on bats and going cheap on pitching his entire time. I don't agree with that strategy at all. Look how bad our offense was for the majority of last year and how our pitching bit us in the ass against the Phillies. We could have gotten that kind of offensive production by spending far less.

It's put up or shut up for these guys this season. Tatis, Manny, Xander and Soto batting 1-4 so there's no excuses now. If they struggle again then what? Go spend another $300M for another superstar bat? Where does it end? When do we finally start investing in some pitchers to help out Darvish and Musgrove?
This sounds familiar. Substitute one AssJack (Preller) with the other (Smith) and replace pitching with OLinemen and we look like we’re reliving the same story.
 
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