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http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20061030-9999-1s30ramside.html

By Jerry Magee
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
October 30, 2006

One thing they say about Scott Linehan of the St. Louis Rams is “good game coach,” meaning his tactical decisions on Sunday afternoons are sound ones.

Maybe not always.

Consider this situation: Linehan's side is getting bounced around by the Chargers at Qualcomm Stadium. In the third period, the Rams are behind 21-7 with a fourth-and-6 at the San Diego 16. Linehan summons Jeff Wilkins who supplies a 34-yard field goal.

Nothing out of the ordinary there. Ah, but there is a complication. The Chargers' Antonio Cromartie is cited for being offside. Problem for Linehan: Does he accept being 11 points behind, recognizing the conventional wisdom in the NFL that points should not be removed from the scoreboard, or does he take the penalty, bringing up a fourth-and-1 at the 11?
Gain a first down here and the Missourians would be positioned to move in for a touchdown that, with a subsequent conversion, would have leave them just seven points behind in a game the Chargers would win yesterday 38-24.

In assessing fourth-and-1 situations for the Rams, be mindful that the team has one of the NFL's most powerful backs in 231-pound Steven Jackson, among the league's rushing leaders.
 
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I think the bigger mistake was the onside kick with 6 minutes to play. Once we recovered that, the game was essentially over.
 

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boltssbbound said:
I think the bigger mistake was the onside kick with 6 minutes to play. Once we recovered that, the game was essentially over.
Word. You gotta kick it deep in that situation. Pretty stupid IMO.... but I am not complaining!
 

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boltssbbound said:
I think the bigger mistake was the onside kick with 6 minutes to play. Once we recovered that, the game was essentially over.
I agree. The Rams offense is one that can traverse the length of the field in only 60 seconds.

There wasn't really a need to go for the onside kick at that point, unless Linehan didn't have faith in his defense to prevent a drive that consumed 3+ minutes.
 

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boltssbbound said:
I think the bigger mistake was the onside kick with 6 minutes to play. Once we recovered that, the game was essentially over.
I couldn't believe they tried that. :icon_shrug:
 

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Boltdiehard said:
I couldn't believe they tried that. :icon_shrug:
Worked well for me; helped cover the 10 point spread!!
 

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Actually there is logic behind it. I submit for your examination:

1) The Rams on D had very little success in stoping us. They knew we were eating chunks off the clock with each drive. I believe that our average drive length was around five minutes.

Given that alone they HAD to try and get the ball back imediately. It was obvious that the coach had no faith in thier D to make the stop.

2) Our running game was churnin and burnin yesterday. We sould have ran those last six minutes off and the Rams would have had zero change to get the two or more scores needed to win.

Thus an onsides kick with six minutes left.

Logical and what most coaches facing a high powere O with a less than stellar D would try and do.

humbly submiutted...

If the Rams wanted to have a chance to win, they had to take the gloves off and try everything. Time and score was on our side, they had to try and combat them both. Logical, and the right thing to do.
 

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Concudan said:
Actually there is logic behind it. I submit for your examination:

1) The Rams on D had very little success in stoping us. They knew we were eating chunks off the clock with each drive. I believe that our average drive length was around five minutes.

Given that alone they HAD to try and get the ball back imediately. It was obvious that the coach had no faith in thier D to make the stop.

2) Our running game was churnin and burnin yesterday. We sould have ran those last six minutes off and the Rams would have had zero change to get the two or more scores needed to win.

Thus an onsides kick with six minutes left.

Logical and what most coaches facing a high powere O with a less than stellar D would try and do.

humbly submiutted...
When you put it like that then maybe there was some logic but only a little bit though
 

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BoltsFanUK said:
When you put it like that then maybe there was some logic but only a little bit though
If they wanted to win, they had to try and get the ball back right then. No other choice. A long drive and a score of three would have nailed the coffin shut on them.
 

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If they wanted to win, they had to try and get the ball back right then. No other choice. A long drive and a score of three would have nailed the coffin shut on them.
Yeah but you never know what could happen in the NFL, just look at the Raiders beating the Steelers
 
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BoltsFanUK said:
Yeah but you never know what could happen in the NFL, just look at the Raiders beating the Steelers
Very true. Any given Sunday.

I work with a Steelers fan, and I am giving her the business like you wouldnt believe.
 

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Very true. Any given Sunday.

I work with a Steelers fan, and I am giving her the business like you wouldnt believe.
So are you saying to her how there should be no way the raiders should beat the Steelers and how the Steelers Suck:tup:

Stuff like that ETC
 

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BoltsFanUK said:
So are you saying to her how there should be no way the raiders should beat the Steelers and how the Steelers Suck:tup:

Stuff like that ETC
Yes, and asking her if the total domination of her team by the worst team in football has made her want to choose another team to follow...
 

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Yes, and asking her if the total domination of her team by the worst team in football has made her want to choose another team to follow...
:icon_rofl: :icon_rofl: :icon_rofl: :icon_rofl: :icon_rofl: :icon_rofl:

I should Ask Nick Halling on Sky Sports that as he is a Steelers Fan also:icon_toast:
 

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Concudan said:
Actually there is logic behind it. I submit for your examination:

1) The Rams on D had very little success in stoping us. They knew we were eating chunks off the clock with each drive. I believe that our average drive length was around five minutes.

Given that alone they HAD to try and get the ball back imediately. It was obvious that the coach had no faith in thier D to make the stop.

2) Our running game was churnin and burnin yesterday. We sould have ran those last six minutes off and the Rams would have had zero change to get the two or more scores needed to win.

Thus an onsides kick with six minutes left.

Logical and what most coaches facing a high powere O with a less than stellar D would try and do.

humbly submiutted...

If the Rams wanted to have a chance to win, they had to take the gloves off and try everything. Time and score was on our side, they had to try and combat them both. Logical, and the right thing to do.
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Sorry Conc, but down by 14 with 6:00 to play is not the time for the onside kick. Because of the poor likelihood of it working, an onside kick is the desperation play, and your best chance of winning is to avoid the desperation play until it is absolutely necessary. You are much better off kicking it away and giving your defense a chance to make a play. Once we recovered that onside kick, we were in position to score and put the game out of reach. Plus, with such good field position, we could afford to be more aggressive in our playcalling. If we'd had the ball at our own 30, our playcalling would have been more predictable and the Rams' ability to stop us would have increased.

The odds are against you recovering the onside kick. And, if you're worried about your defense, you should avoid putting them on a short field.
 

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Survey says: XXX

Sorry Conc, but down by 14 with 6:00 to play is not the time for the onside kick. Because of the poor likelihood of it working, an onside kick is the desperation play, and your best chance of winning is to avoid the desperation play until it is absolutely necessary. You are much better off kicking it away and giving your defense a chance to make a play. Once we recovered that onside kick, we were in position to score and put the game out of reach. Plus, with such good field position, we could afford to be more aggressive in our playcalling. If we'd had the ball at our own 30, our playcalling would have been more predictable and the Rams' ability to stop us would have increased.

The odds are against you recovering the onside kick. And, if you're worried about your defense, you should avoid putting them on a short field.
So you maintain that the better choice is to allow the team you havent stopped all day to get the ball and have a scoring drive? That puts you in a better position to win exactly how?

Its called taking a chance. Yeah, you might not recover the kick, but what chance do you have if you dont try. Nada.
 

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It don't matter what they called or what linehan tried or when they went for an onside kick. The Chargers just plain brought it all day. They were down 21 in the fourth. We have blown some leads but we're not the Cardinals. The Chargers won straight up. St Louis tacked on some useless points towards the end to at least make the score look respectable, but it aint no thing. :lol:

But we shouldn't be worrying about the enemies coaching decisions. We need to focus on the brownies.:tup: :yes:
 

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exodus said:
It don't matter what they called or what linehan tried or when they went for an onside kick. The Chargers just plain brought it all day. They were down 21 in the fourth. We have blown some leads but we're not the Cardinals. The Chargers won straight up. St Louis tacked on some useless points towards the end to at least make the score look respectable, but it aint no thing. :lol:

But we shouldn't be worrying about the enemies coaching decisions. We need to focus on the brownies.:tup: :yes:
Cause they have Tha Wahyah!
 

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So you maintain that the better choice is to allow the team you havent stopped all day to get the ball and have a scoring drive? That puts you in a better position to win exactly how?

Its called taking a chance. Yeah, you might not recover the kick, but what chance do you have if you dont try. Nada.
They stopped us plenty. We didn't score an offensive point from 3:33 of the first quarter until 7:12 of the third.

I still say you kick it away and rely on your defense. The onside kick should be used as a last resort. If the Rams had kicked it away and stopped us, they would have gotten the ball back with plenty of time to go down, score and then attempt an onside kick.

Again, an onside kick is a low percentage play. You don't want the game to hinge on such a play until it's absolutely necessary. If something catastrophic had happened, like a Bolts' turnover returned for a score, the Rams might not have ever needed to attempt an onside kick.